On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 12:56:38 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > Our descendents will have to see how far they can push things, Bruno. That > is, if they can push things, and if we can as a species encourage the > machinery to benefit us? Machines could do this making enjoyable > discoveries, and enjoyable innovations. We do this to make people have > better lives just as meta-goal because it feels better, at least for me, > but then, I am just a bourgeoise. For my attitude, theology is a mental app > for people to use. Some people, especially, some women, seem to glean ideas > about the big Platonic network in the sky, and it seems to work, or, > perhaps, I am just easily tricked? Theologies are always welcome if they > benefit people? Perhaps for some or many, the Schrodinger Equation can be a > good substitute for a matra of The Lord's Prayer? [image: \hat{H} \Psi=E > \Psi] > > I don't know how I'd pronounce it as a prayer, though? > > > Calling it a prayer is a bit of an insult.
LC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, Jul 3, 2021 7:43 am > Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns > (not released on April 1st) > > > On 14 Jun 2021, at 17:05, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > A wise idea to clear up the word clutter. New religions I hold we do not > need. It's better to use science to upgrade them. > > > That the whole point. To bring back reason in theology, which is the > fundamental science by definition, before we commit any ontological > commitment, be it is a universe or in arithmetic, or whatever. That is what > theology has been from Pythagorus and Parmenides ()500) to Damascius > (+500). > > Then we can see that the ideally sound universal+ (Löbian) machine have a > rich mathematical theology, which is testable as it contains physics, and > indeed QM-without-collapse confirms it strikingly well up to now, > qualitatively and quantitatively. > > > > If the universe does indeed learn as proposed by the physicist, then > that's a good thing. > > > That is impossible once we bet that learning is a mechanical procedure, > like with Darwin. In that case the physical universe Is a statistical > pattern emerging from the (sigma_1) number relations. > > > > Skeptic Michael Shermer paraphrasing Arthur C. Clarke, said: A > sufficiently advanced alien intelligence is indistinguishable from God.” > > > > No machine can, indeed, distinguish an oracle/god (in Turing sense) from a > machine more complex than themselves. But science is in prediction, using > the simplest conceptual assumptions, not in any metaphysical certainties, > despite some can exist (but have to remain private). > > Bruno > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <[email protected]> > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2021 10:21 am > Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns > (not released on April 1st) > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 12:18 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > *I am not saying we do not need theology,* > > > Maybe you're not saying we don't need theology, but I certainly am. > > By the way, the post I'm responding to contained 14 iterations of quotes, > that's quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes > of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes of quotes, and > that makes it a bit difficult to figure out who is saying what to who so I > have removed them. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > > yab > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2u728c2V%3Dys689k%3Di6UkYZYLJcaSRfR4OkkOw3mnKD0g%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2u728c2V%3Dys689k%3Di6UkYZYLJcaSRfR4OkkOw3mnKD0g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/312723948.4982996.1623683125051%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/312723948.4982996.1623683125051%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9D88EFD7-4762-4E30-8647-012CD7F984A2%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9D88EFD7-4762-4E30-8647-012CD7F984A2%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d9999d08-c2de-4e9f-b0dc-6afb102448e9n%40googlegroups.com.
