On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:53:06 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 11:31 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > * If S's equation represented a horse race, with probabilities changing >> during the race -- of the order of final results -- why do you think the >> race continues in other worlds, with all combinations of outcomes?* > > > Because until Alan Grayson sees the end of the race, or somebody tells > Alan Grayson about it, Alan Grayson can't be certain what world Alan > Grayson is in. Alan Grayson could be in a world where horse *X* won or Alan > Grayson could be in a world where horse* Y* won, until Alan Grayson > receives more information Alan Grayson would have to say the odds are > 50-50. > Not necessarily 50-50. Depends on how many horses are in the race. But much more important is you claim, without argument, that all possible outcomes are realized, most or many in other worlds. Never any justification of that MIS-interpretation of probability. AG > > Yes I know the above sounds awkward but, as I've said many times before, > when discussing matters of this sort personal pronouns have no uniquely > specified subject. > > *> We've discussed this before, many times.* > > > We certainly have. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > yui > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:43:00 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:17 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> *> the Pilot Wave theory assumes each particle has a definite position >>>> and momentum.* >>>> >>> >>> That's true but unlike Many Worlds Pilot Wave theory is non-local, it >>> postulates there is a mysterious force of some sort that is undiminished by >>> distance in which two particles billions of light years apart can INSTANTLY >>> affect each other without affecting anything in between. It seems to me if >>> that were the case then we'd have to know everything before we could know >>> anything, and that does not conform with observation because although we >>> don't know everything we do know some things. If the universe was really >>> non-local we couldn't even make approximate predictions regardless of if >>> things were deterministic or not. >>> >>> Copenhagen assumes a particle has NO position and momentum if it has >>> not been measured. Pilot Wave theory assumes a particle has ONE position >>> and momentum if it has not been measured. Many Worlds assumes >>> Schrodinger's equation means what it says so a particle has EVERY position >>> and momentum the equation allows regardless of if it has been measured or >>> not. >>> >>> > It doesn't violate the HUP because the HUP simply limits what we can >>>> measure. >>>> >>> >>> Then you should like Many Worlds because it says everything happens >>> because of Schrodinger's equation, and Schrodinger's equation is 100% >>> deterministic. >>> >> >> We've discussed this before, many times. If S's equation represented a >> horse race, with probabilities changing during the race -- of the order of >> final results -- why do you think the race continues in other worlds, with >> all combinations of outcomes? I think you egregiously misinterpret what S's >> equation is telling us. AG >> >> Many Worlds explains why that, although from the multiverse point of view >>> things are as deterministic as Schrödinger's equation, to any particular >>> observer in one of those worlds there would be a limit to how accurate his >>> predictions can be. >>> >>> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>> tpw >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b11a3af9-77cb-4de8-92e0-adb37e99e123n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b11a3af9-77cb-4de8-92e0-adb37e99e123n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a2b58a7d-6972-4104-a890-a7bbc357582en%40googlegroups.com.
