On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 6:30:30 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/23/2022 4:11 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. >>>>> This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes >>>>> to >>>>> understanding even the most minimal of things. >>>>> >>>>> There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He >>>>> and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to >>>>> the >>>>> Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the >>>>> Argentine >>>>> economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their >>>>> crimes >>>>> Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. >>>>> A >>>>> victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not >>>>> work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the >>>>> outcome does not look too different. >>>>> >>>>> The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All >>>>> they did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars >>>>> of >>>>> various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They >>>>> became >>>>> the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia >>>>> ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 >>>>> decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world. >>>>> >>>>> Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no >>>>> reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one >>>> point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is >>>> anything in the universe that knows anything. AG* >>>> >>>> >>>> It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of >>>> being naturally selected to reproduce. >>>> >>> >>> Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or >>> consciousness? AG >>> >>> >>> It makes it possible to entertain and deceive others. Every hear of >>> seduction? >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> Very clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing >> computer system? AG >> >> >> Sure. Lots of computers in high-reliability applications do a lot of >> self checking. But what's that have to do with the origin of >> consciousness? Computers are not yet self reproducing, so Darwinian >> evolution doesn't apply to them. >> >> Brent >> > > Self checking and natural selection seem to go together to produce > "consciousness", but we really don't know what it is to analyse, so these > discussions go nowhere, and always has. AG > I'm expecting a comment / criticism that my claim that self-checking and natural selection go together to produce "consciousness" is tantamount to the claim that acquired characteristics are inherited, which goes against the usual interpretation of evolution by natural selection. But isn't it now accepted that at least some acquired characteristics are in fact inherited? TIA, AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/17ecc845-c98e-4e4c-87ae-9030bf09a4bbn%40googlegroups.com.
