On 5/23/2022 4:11 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:57:04 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/23/2022 6:20 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/22/2022 7:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-6 Lawrence Crowell wrote: It is amazing the depth of nonsense, rot and trash in this thread. This is an indication of how utterly worthless religion is when it comes to understanding even the most minimal of things. There is a basic reason why Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine. He and his cronies have stolen everything they can steal. It is similar to the Argentine strongman Gaultier, who with his cronies had looted the Argentine economy to the bone. So to distract public attention away from their crimes Gaultier decided that taking the Falklands from Britain was a great idea. A victory of that sort would buoy up his standing and ..., yeah it did not work. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was meant to do just the same, and the outcome does not look too different. The fall of the Soviet Union did not displace people in charge. All they did was to tear up their communist party cards, and the commissars of various industries declared themselves capitalists and owners. They became the oligarchs of Russia and these gangsters have been plundering Russia ever since. The Russian economy has barely muddled along for the last 3 decades. Putin is probably the second most wealthy man in the world. Please folks, knock off the religious rubbish. I see absolutely no reason to think there exist any form of disembodied conscious agent. *I wholeheartedly agree with your points in this post. However, on one point you really must accept a huge deficiency. Ask yourself how there is anything in the universe that knows anything. AG*It evolved. It turns out that knowing stuff improves the chance of being naturally selected to reproduce. Sure, but what is the origin of the self-reflective function of mind or consciousness? AGIt makes it possible to entertain and deceive others. Every hear of seduction? BrentVery clever, but can you give me one example of a self-referencing computer system? AG
Sure. Lots of computers in high-reliability applications do a lot of self checking. But what's that have to do with the origin of consciousness? Computers are not yet self reproducing, so Darwinian evolution doesn't apply to them.
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