Am Fr, 12. Aug 2022, um 20:47, schrieb John Clark: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 1:56 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> *> I think John rejects zombies,* > > Yes and I have a very good reason for doing so. I know for a fact I am > conscious and the evidence is overwhelming that Darwinian evolution is > correct, but if you could have intelligent behavior without consciousness > then natural selection could never have invented it, yet it did.
I agree with your premises but not with your conclusions. I agree that: - I am conscious. - There is overwhelming evidence in favor of Darwinian evolution. I disagree that: - Natural selection "invented" consciousness. Maybe stars are conscious. Why not? How do you know? - If you could have intelligent behavior without consciousness then natural selection could never have invented it. Why? Some people are born without legs. Does that means that natural selection could not have invented legs? Telmo > Therefore the only logical conclusion is that consciousness is the inevitable > byproduct of intelligence. > >> * >so he would have to reject objective truth to believe a physical computer >> is necessary to produce observers. Below is what I wrote:* >> * **The way I like to think about it is this: If one is willing to believe >> that truth values for mathematical relations like “2 + 2 = 4” can exist and >> be true independently of the universe* > > But I don't believe that. If there were zero or even just one thing in the > entire universe then the very concept of "2" would be meaningless, as would > the concept of additon. In fact if there was just one thing then there would > be nothing because the best definition of "nothing" that I know of is > infinite unbounded homogeneity. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > idb > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2TcpKJnrdf6PKWd2NYYqb834pvbahH2vfk0Acw%2BOTExg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2TcpKJnrdf6PKWd2NYYqb834pvbahH2vfk0Acw%2BOTExg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e71f3a80-885c-42c0-8cf0-20e045326112%40www.fastmail.com.
