On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 2:48 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 1:56 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > *> I think John rejects zombies,* > > > Yes and I have a very good reason for doing so. I know for a fact I am > conscious and the evidence is overwhelming that Darwinian evolution is > correct, but if you could have intelligent behavior without consciousness > then natural selection could never have invented it, yet it did. Therefore > the only logical conclusion is that consciousness is the inevitable > byproduct of intelligence. > > * >so he would have to reject objective truth to believe a physical >> computer is necessary to produce observers. Below is what I wrote:* > > *The way I like to think about it is this: If one is willing to believe >> that truth values for mathematical relations like “2 + 2 = 4” can exist and >> be true independently of the universe* > > > But I don't believe that. If there were zero or even just one thing in > the entire universe then the very concept of "2" would be meaningless, as > would the concept of additon. In fact if there was just one thing then > there would be nothing because the best definition of "nothing" that I > know of is infinite unbounded homogeneity. > If there were zero objects in the universe then the concept of zero would necessarily exist to preserve the property of the number of physical objects in that nothing. If the concept of zero exists then at least 'one' abstract entity must exist, the one number zero. Now 'two' abstract numbers exist, 'one' and 'zero'. Et cetera. Jason "The Tao begets one; one begets two; two begets three; three begets the myriad things." -- Lao Tzu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjbN46GjCBaYiuMOhkcuTjyE2sr08yGEC6q-yqG%3D6dU%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com.
