On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 04:00:41AM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> Sure, there were religious leaders who opposed Nazism, such as the Lutheran 
> theologian who wrote "First they came for ... ." I cannot remember his name 
> off hand.

Martin Niemöller:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

> There were others, but look at the preponderance. Consider in the
> United States the role of fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are
> almost lockstep with Don-the-Con t'Rump, who is America's "big
> pela-man" and cult leader, just as were Mussolini and Hitler.

Religion in the USA is quite peculiar phenomenon. I have not read
about it too much, however. But yes, the way some of them guys go, is
worth deeper look.

> Religion is largely about do not ask questions, obey your leaders
> and pay what you owe your religious leaders (tithes etc) and
> masters. It is a perfect conditioning system for a compliant
> population under fascism.

The problem you describe is there, but I do not think it is pertinent
to religion or caused by it.

You want to blame religion for the crimes done in its name? Ok, some
blame belongs to it. But crimes are not being done to satiate
religious feelings (except, perhaps, satanism) - "normal" human beings
do crimes to satiate their basic instincts. They just use religions as
good excuse. The robbed gold and other material goods, did they give
it away to their churches? Some of it, sure. The rest was just quickly
shuffled to their own pockets.

Ditto with atheists doing crimes for the advancement of humanity.

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Tomasz Rola

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