On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:19 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:

 >> Like me Carmack is much more interested in intelligence than
>> consciousness and has no interest in the "philosophical zombie" argument.
>
>
> *> It is possible to be highly interested in both. Why not?*
>

Because one is a useful activity and the other is not. Even if you have an
IQ of 200 and spend your entire life studying consciousness you will
advance the field precisely as much as the entire human race has in the
last thousand years. And that would be precisely zero. Isaac Newton must've
had an IQ of about 200 and unfortunately he spent much more time studying
theology than physics and mathematics put together, but despite that
colossal effort he advanced the field of theology not at all, and nobody
else has managed to do any better. The same is true with consciousness.

>> "*It seems to me this is the highest leverage moment for a single
>> individual potentially* *in the history of the world.* [...]   *I am not
>> a mad man in saying that the code for artificial General intelligence is
>> going to be tens of thousands of lines of code, not millions of lines of
>> code. This is code that conceivably one individual could write, unliker
>> writing a new web browser or operating system.**"*
>
>
> *> In a sense, I agree. But remember that, even with code, we are sitting
> on the shoulders of giants. A few lines of code in contemporary Python
> mobilize decades upon decades of the blood sweat and tears of the
> programmers that came before, who built all of this amazing infrastructure.
> How many lines in the Linux kernel?*
>

That's why I disagree with those who say Moore's law only applies to
hardware and not to software.  Imagine if there were no modern software
tools and you had to program everything in machine language using nothing
but 0 and 1. Fortunately we don't have to do that because machines have
been able to help us write computer programs for many decades.

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
stc

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