Am Do, 8. Sep 2022, um 17:00, schrieb John Clark: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:19 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > __ > >>> >> Like me Carmack is much more interested in intelligence than >>> consciousness and has no interest in the "philosophical zombie" argument. >> >> *> It is possible to be highly interested in both. Why not?* > > Because one is a useful activity and the other is not.
If there is one thing one cannot doubt, John, is that you are thoroughly American :) > Even if you have an IQ of 200 and spend your entire life studying > consciousness you will advance the field precisely as much as the entire > human race has in the last thousand years. And that would be precisely zero. > Isaac Newton must've had an IQ of about 200 and unfortunately he spent much > more time studying theology Unfortunately for you maybe, but perhaps it gave him joy and I bet that was the main thing that mattered to Isaac Newton. Good for him, I would say. At some point we will all be dead, and nothing will matter or be useful to us by then. Telmo > than physics and mathematics put together, but despite that colossal effort > he advanced the field of theology not at all, and nobody else has managed to > do any better. The same is true with consciousness. > >> >>> >>> >> "***It seems to me this is the highest leverage moment for a single >>> >> individual potentially** **in the history of the world.* [...] *I am >>> >> not a mad man in saying that the code for artificial General >>> >> intelligence is going to be tens of thousands of lines of code, not >>> >> millions of lines of code. This is code that conceivably one individual >>> >> could write, unliker writing a new web browser or operating system.**"* >> >> *> In a sense, I agree. But remember that, even with code, we are sitting on >> the shoulders of giants. A few lines of code in contemporary Python mobilize >> decades upon decades of the blood sweat and tears of the programmers that >> came before, who built all of this amazing infrastructure. How many lines in >> the Linux kernel?* > > That's why I disagree with those who say Moore's law only applies to hardware > and not to software. Imagine if there were no modern software tools and you > had to program everything in machine language using nothing but 0 and 1. > Fortunately we don't have to do that because machines have been able to help > us write computer programs for many decades. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > stc > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Oo3GJW%2BXU%2BgO0_h0cKXf0EwpEooOiEZwk%3DnqR_EmNdg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Oo3GJW%2BXU%2BgO0_h0cKXf0EwpEooOiEZwk%3DnqR_EmNdg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/37b3f864-41d5-4f58-8b0c-c3628af5a813%40www.fastmail.com.
