The US is not a democracy nor, a republic but a oligarchy where the rich rule, 
known as a plutocracy. JC is quite correct. It was set up as a republic but 
devolved to a plutocracy, due to the high costs of politicians running 
campaigns. View the Citizens United ruling by the US Supreme Court:
The ‘Citizens United’ decision and why it matters – Center for Public Integrity

Will Trump get nailed by Progressives obsession via a NY state court ruling? 
Time will tell. DeSantis is now looking more trustworthy and successful to 
Republican voters, according to the mornings poll. Rely on the democrats, now 
all supporters of a LGQBT version of Josep Stalin. However, Telmo, people vote 
with their feet and over economic issues so we shall see in the next 2 years 
what occurs in the world? Xi for sure, Putin, up in the air, and Iran, Syria, 
North Africa, and so on and so forth! The world doesn't end at America's 
shoreline. :-[
Peace. 



-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2022 7:27 am
Subject: Re: Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties 
to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:52 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:


> I was under the impression that electoral college members are not free to 
> vote on whomever they like, that they must vote for the candidate that won in 
> their state.

Unfortunately that is not true. When an American citizen votes in a 
presidential election he is not really voting for a presidential candidate, he 
is voting for a member of the Electoral College who has pledged to vote for a 
certain presidential candidate, however members of the Electoral College have a 
constitutional right to vote for anybody they want and are not legally bound by 
any prior pledge they may have made. Most would consider reneging on their 
pledge to be unethical but it is not illegal.

 > otherwise I wouldn't say that the US are an actual democracy.


You said it not me.  



> If I am indeed correct, then you are complaining about a distortion caused by 
> your particular flavor of representative democracy.

And as if the above is not bad enough, thanks to the Electoral College a person 
voting in a presidential election in Wyoming has about 70 times as much 
influence as to who will be the next president as a person who votes in 
California. And as if that isn't bad enough, in nearly all of the states if 
candidate X wins 50.01% of the popular vote and candidate Y wins 49.99% of the 
popular vote then candidate X wins 100% of the all important electoral votes 
and candidate Y wins 0%.  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  
Extropolisb47
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