@Terren. There is no "self" and "ability to reference". There is just self-reference. You can call it hampty-dampty if you want.
On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 20:01:24 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > I read enough to confirm that you postulate self-reference as fundamental > - the entity upon which everything else can be built. I'm wondering how > that can be fundamental if it requires two components (self, and the > ability to reference). > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:32 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using >> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut. >> >> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> I used Claude Sonnet to summarize your paper. Tell me if any of this >>> misses the mark, but the paper appears to posit *self-reference* as >>> fundamental, upon which all other aspects of reality are derived. >>> >>> If so (this is me now), my first thought is that self-reference cannot >>> be fundamental, because it already presupposes two distinct components: a >>> "self" and the capacity to "reference". Worse, defining "self" (something >>> to be derived) in terms of "self-reference" (fundamental) is circular. >>> >>> Terren >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:09 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I invite you to discover my paper "How Self-Reference Builds the World" >>>> which is the theory of everything that people searched for millennia. It >>>> can be found on my philpeople profile: >>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d91bb4ab-d34c-4508-9fa8-7278599ff78en%40googlegroups.com.
