>From your paper, you define self-reference as: "Let self-reference be the entity with the property of looking-back-at-itself."
Your definition invokes the concepts *entity*, *property*, *looking-back*, and *itself*. That's a lot of complexity for something that is fundamental. It's easy for me to imagine *entities *with different *properties* (i.e. that don't *look-back-on-itself), *but only because I'm starting from a linguistic perspective that already defines *entities *and *properties, *and *looking-back-at-itself.* You don't have that luxury. If you want to derive everything from a monism, you cannot define that monism in terms of concepts imported from a different metaphysics or conceptual framework. *Entities *and *properties of looking-back-at-itself *must be defined relative to your fundamental monism. On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 2:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > @Terren. There is no "self" and "ability to reference". There is just > self-reference. You can call it hampty-dampty if you want. > > On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 20:01:24 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> I read enough to confirm that you postulate self-reference as fundamental >> - the entity upon which everything else can be built. I'm wondering how >> that can be fundamental if it requires two components (self, and the >> ability to reference). >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:32 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using >>> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut. >>> >>> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> I used Claude Sonnet to summarize your paper. Tell me if any of this >>>> misses the mark, but the paper appears to posit *self-reference* as >>>> fundamental, upon which all other aspects of reality are derived. >>>> >>>> If so (this is me now), my first thought is that self-reference cannot >>>> be fundamental, because it already presupposes two distinct components: a >>>> "self" and the capacity to "reference". Worse, defining "self" (something >>>> to be derived) in terms of "self-reference" (fundamental) is circular. >>>> >>>> Terren >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:09 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I invite you to discover my paper "How Self-Reference Builds the >>>>> World" which is the theory of everything that people searched for >>>>> millennia. It can be found on my philpeople profile: >>>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4f13128c-5b63-422f-a6cb-4c3eb4f3618cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ea01c75c-3cdd-4d9e-9ced-eb184ae03777n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d91bb4ab-d34c-4508-9fa8-7278599ff78en%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d91bb4ab-d34c-4508-9fa8-7278599ff78en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMy3ZA-Qzw%2B1V-aJjgMO_MDnNx%3DoFjdXcDz9dm0q4tZmRL6U3w%40mail.gmail.com.
