On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 4:39:22 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 6:05 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>> IF many worlds is correct then the cat was not in one and only one definite state before the box was opened, instead the cat was in every possible state, therefore Many Worlds IS NOT REALISTIC . AND IF Many Worlds is correct and you assume that no signal or effect can move faster than the speed of light then you will never run into any conflicts with experimental results, therefore Many Worlds IS LOCAL. Locality and realism are two independent properties. * *> But that's assumes MW is correct, * *That's why I use the word "IF", I even underlined and capitalized it. * *I didn't miss your IF. AG* *> a special case I reject. IIUC,a * *I know, you've made it very clear you reject it, but don't you think it might be wise to know what Many Worlds is saying before you reject it? * *> Bell experiments establish that local hidden variables don't exist,* *NO! As I've said before, Bell experiments establish that LOCAL hidden variables don't exist IN A WORLD THAT IS REALISTIC AND DETERMINISTIC! * *If the world is realistic, that means a measured entity has the quantity being measured, before the measurement. But why would that preclude local hidden variables? Did you prove this in your long post? AG* *Note for Brent; I don't take the Planck measurements of curvature lightly. Ostensibly, they support your origin claim. The difference between our pov's about the origin of the universe, is that you believe it starts with a singularity, whereas I do not. AG* * Many Worlds is NOT REALISTIC so it is compatible with Bell experiments. Pilot Wave theory is NOT LOCAL so it is compatible with Bell experiments. Objective Collapse theories are NOT DETERMINISTIC so they are compatible with Bell experiments. As for Copenhagen .... I think of it as "shut up and calculate" so it can't win or lose because it's simply not playing the game. * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> jam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/73fc66be-e20e-4634-825d-382935fdcd47n%40googlegroups.com.
