On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
On Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:07:43 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 4:14:52 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 4:58 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *> Bell experiments demonstrate that hidden variables don't exist**.* *No, it demonstrates local hidden variables can't exist in a deterministic world. * * > **In an earlier post, IIRC, you stated that realism might be falsified. Which is it * *Might.* *> and why? * *Read my damn post! * *FU, I am definitely planning to. It's a lot to digest in one reading. In the final analysis, you always turn out to be a rude a'hole, and that's why you embrace an a'hole theory, MW, which you never use a real wf for your analysis, not valid for Relativity. So FU in spades. AG * *I read some of your analysis but not all (and planned to return to it today). But I was puzzled by your conclusion when you state that one of two conclusions MUST be true. The first is that realism is false. CMIIAW, but didn't Bell experiments establish this, when it was concluded that local hidden variables do not exist? Couldn't both conclusions be true, denial of realism and denial of locality? **AG* *At the end you infer a distinction between non-realism and non-local. It's a subtle distinction, and I realize I don't really get it. AG* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a7338f57-86a3-4bee-92e7-f151a07083d5n%40googlegroups.com.
