On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 11:30:03 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 11:22 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>>> ISTM, that non-realism implies non-local. Do you agree? AG * >>No. *> That seems to be what's happening in Bell experiments. The two concepts seem associated. AG * *IF many worlds is correct then the cat was not in one and only one definite state before the box was opened, instead the cat was in every possible state, therefore Many Worlds IS NOT REALISTIC . AND IF Many Worlds is correct and you assume that no signal or effect can move faster than the speed of light then you will never run into any conflicts with experimental results, therefore Many Worlds IS LOCAL. Locality and realism are two independent properties. * *But that's assumes MW is correct, a special case I reject. IIUC, Bell experiments establish that local hidden variables don't exist, so non-realism is established. Although it's controversial, the correlations strongly suggest non-locality as well. This is why I stopped reading your long post, to first resolve this issue before going returning to it. So, as I see it, the two concepts might be related. AG * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> f9b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fb207bf7-8a32-41c1-8383-964486ee369an%40googlegroups.com.
