On Friday, November 8, 2024 at 5:46:16 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote:

On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 1:54 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

*> Why do you characterize the explanation of the possible insufficiency of 
our concept of space, a NON-local hidden variable?*


*Because if an event occurred 4 light years away and happened LESS than 4 
years ago and yet it still affected you then that affect was non-local, 
because that's what "non-local" means. Is such an affect possible, does 
Quantum Mechanics permit it? Nobody knows, but if I were betting I would 
bet not.*


Your first sentence requires IMO, more precision. Please re-write it. Are 
you referring to faster-than-SoL phenomenom? TY, AG 


q


*> Two observers can't send information to each other because neither knows 
what will come up in a coin flip if the outcome is modeled quantum 
mechanically, that is irreducibly random , but each element of a pair of 
entangled particles can send information to its partner** [faster than 
light] *


*Maybe. If somebody can prove that is true then we will know that Quantum 
Mechanics is non-local, and the violation of Bell's Inequality does not 
rule out non-local hidden variables, it only rules out local hidden 
variables.  *


My opinion, FWIW, is that we have a major flaw or insufficiency in our 
concept of space, noting that for photons, all distances shrink to zero. AG 


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