On Saturday, December 14, 2024 at 9:09:01 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:




On 12/14/2024 7:46 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

I meant I hadn't considered the ordering you postulated as effecting 
simultaneity. By "fit", I always meant the ordering you described, *and* 
that the paradox is alive and well under such ordering. Moreover, I don't 
see why in the car frame we can't have the phenomenon synchronized with the 
garage frame, so the observers see the same thing, at the same time, which 
IMO implies a paradox. A'sG


They can't see the same events at the same time because they are moving 
relative to one another and light has a finite velocity.

Brent


But there's only one phenomenon to observe, from different points of view. 
So finite light speed shouldn't be a problem. Note that each frame has its 
own set of synchronized clocks. Can't clocks in different frames be 
sychronized so a direct comparison is possible? More important, after v 
gets to a sufficient velocity, at all increased velocities of the car the 
frames will disagree about fitting of car in garage. You seem to think this 
isn't a problem since the phenomena are not time-synched. Why no problem 
from the pov of a paradox or contradiction? TY, AG

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