On Monday, January 6, 2025 at 10:30:58 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 1/6/2025 3:03 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Monday, January 6, 2025 at 3:31:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 1/5/2025 9:02 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
On Sunday, January 5, 2025 at 9:43:47 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 1/5/2025 7:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
> You claim there is no objective fact. The car fitted in the garage.
> But that's only from the garage frame.
If it's from only one frame and not another, that's the definition of
"not objective". It's not fact. It's subjective perception.
Brent
You truncated my statement. You showed the car fits in one frame
and not the other (the car frame). The paradox is based on the belief
that this is impossible. Disproving this belief is required to resolve
the paradox. AG
I've shown that it fits in one frame and not the other.
*We're in agreement! AG *
If your belief is irrational, that's not a paradox, it's just a false
belief.
*It might be a false belief. I'll grant you that. But can you prove it
false? *
I can't if you won't say what you belief is. If your belief is that it
cannot be the case that the car fits in the garage frame and not in the car
frame, then I have proven it false. You have not pointed out a flaw in my
proof. You just make vague assertions of you opinion like " I don't think
this issue has been adequately resolved".
Brent
*I am not sure what I believe. I am open to alternatives. But I don't see
that you proved anything. The apparent paradox arose because the results of
SR seemed untenable, that is, false. Then you used SR to affirm something
in doubt. So your logic is circular. AG *
*That's the issue which must be addressed, rather than assuming it false
and using SR to get the result already known by a thought experiment just
assuming length contraction. You could be on a slippery slope, being so
sure SR is correct that you use it assuming its predictions must be true.
Personally, I think SR is OK and want it to be OK, but I don't think this
issue has been adequately resolved. AG*
*Quentin; thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'll reply to it later. AG*
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