On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 2:01:28 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:

> 
> Nothing odd about dilation and contraction when you know its cause. 
> But what is odd is the fact that each frame sees the result 
> differently -- that the car fits in one frame, but not in the other -- 
> and you see nothing odd about that, that there's no objective reality 
> despite the symmetry. AG 

The facts are events in spacetime.  There's an event F at which the 
front of the car is even with the exit of the garage and there's an 
event R at which the rear of the car is even with the entrance to the 
garage.  If R is before F we say the car fitted in the garage. If R is 
after F we say the car did not fit.  But if F and  R are spacelike, then 
there is no fact of the matter about their time order.  The time order 
will depend on the state of motion. 

Brent


Jesse; it's the last two of Brent's sentences that I find ambiguous. What
does he mean? I also wonder what happens when we transform in the
reverse direction from the pov of simultaneity, from the car frame to the
 garage frame? TY, AG

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