> On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 04:20, Mikael Wahlberg wrote:
> > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 09:58, Mattias Eriksson wrote:
Hello All
Usually you are way way over my head. But this one caught my eye.
I would not describe myself as a total newbie but a discussion on whether to
include vim or vi is counter to the whole reason that evolution is the "non
geeks" choice.
The great thing about evolution [I use it, but I am not on my machine] is
its simplicity for the average user.
Don't include a "hard to use" geeky option like vi.
The first time you hit VI as a MS user you think your computers died, hardly
a confidence builder for the brave WIN ME user who has installed Xiamian!
Just a users $0.02
As someone who flogs Linux to business..."When's the Evolution [read
exchange] server coming" is all they want to know
I do explain that reverse engineering closed code is a tad difficult....
Robert Slater
> >
> > > I dont think the configuration dialogs should be bloated, but things
> > > should still be easy to do. And by trying to keep the user from being
> > > able to change a option like editor you are trying to force the user
to
> > > work in a way you have planed. This is not the correct way to look at
> > > things, just keep it simple and let the user have it's freedom (and
that
> > > includes the freedom to get stuck in vim, if that what the user have
> > > asked for...)
> >
> > I totally agree with Mattias. Don't make the users more stupid than they
> > are. Default configuration should of course be a simple non-vim editor
> > environment, but making the possibility to change the editor hard to
> > find does not make any sense.
>
> I'm not going to argue that we should only allow it in an almost
> impossible to find place, but we should think long and hard before
> including a gui configuration for it. Perhaps the person has to click
> on advanced at least once. 99.9% (add lots of 9s here) of people in the
> world, if given the task of sending an email, would really be best
> served by just using gtkhtml. Hopefully they wouldn't even know it was
> html.
>
> It's a good point that one of the tenets of free software is choice.
> However, anyone who is knowledgeable enough to want to use emacs or vi
> here will be knowledgeable enough to figure out how to change a text
> file somewhere or run a helper app. If you can find someone who isn't,
> I'd be impressed.
>
> > Anyways, in Evo, I don't think getting stuck in vim is a big problem,
> > the user just have to close the composer window to get out :-)
>
> Yes, but they'll never be able to write an email again. Especially
> since evolution settings would persist across uninstalling and
> reinstalling evolution. They may even have to resort to creating a new
> user or uninstalling and reinstalling the whole OS to get it to work
> again. At the very least, they're going to have to call up their hacker
> friend to fix it.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
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