Cdr's from verbatim with the deep blue dye and the white coating on the top have been excellent. The CDR's that fail have had the very light green dye and a very thin clear coating on top. Try to read the data from a CD created in 2000 if you have any. You can use the free diagnostic from http://www.cdspeed2000.com/ to verify the readability of your CD's. Go to EXTRA/SCANDISK and check "surface scan". This will give you a go/no-go reading.
Tom -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 4:29 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Autodesk Discussion List Oh, wow, I will have to look into that, we have CD's going back to 1998. Boy that's going to be fun. -----Original Message----- From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Autodesk Discussion List I have a whole lot of CD's that have failed after 2-3 years. Some people think that it is the adhesive labels that ate into the data layer. That is probably the case, but I do have some that deteriorated with no labels on them. I would trust tapes much more than CD's right now. We will have to wait a few years to see if DVD-r's have the same deterioration problems. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Autodesk Discussion List The Boss's choice is DVD and CD. I need arguments and proofs that convince him tape is reasonably safer than it used to be, and a whole lot faster. My boss isn't some VP or manager/underling type, he is The Boss, The president and majority stock owner in the company. If he says frog, not only do you jump, you croak like one too. (well, mostly. He has his good points, like not calling after hours and on the weekends) He is just more stubborn than any plow mule you have ever seen. I would love to talk more if you have time. Rachel -----Original Message----- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Autodesk Discussion List I have Netware severs for the file and print, so we take advantage of Netware's "Salvage" utility to take the burden off the restore tapes. You could upgrade to Netware!<g> IN A/E/C the project files get kept live for a long time, and often come back in the for of another related project or as a reference to a new idea. We've had a archiving procedure in place for some time that removes old projects, burns them to CD that are kept in the office, so they can be serached by employees. I'm expirimenting with a ftp site that I am keeping all the old projects on. People seem to like it, because it's easier to find old data, and they can do it from their desks. Have you been able to convince people that they don't need to keep all their file attachments in the Exchange store? That should help. Otherwise you are stuck with presenting the whole backup time/tape cost/recovery cost scenario with numbers to your boss. Make him make the choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:31 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Autodesk Discussion List Thanks Jim, That is what I had thought. Until 1998 they had some sort of off brand tape drive, and no spare tape drive. When the tape drive died the data recovery company told him it would cost 20K per tape to recover. He decided not to pay and went to CD at the time. This is just eating more and more of my time and I have less and less time as the company grows. It was 40 people when I started and now we are up to 64, with more expected. Do your users need to access backups multiple times daily? Every where else I have worked getting into backups happened less than once a month. The other problem is that he won't archive. Projects stay on the server period. I have stuff on the server from 1996. rachel -----Original Message----- From: Jim Helfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:01 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Autodesk Discussion List Did you tell him every has had a bad experience with tapes _at least_ once? I work for an architectural firm and the file sizes and quantities of files (it takes yeasr sometimes to build buildings, so projects stay live on the server for years!), are larger than anybody else I've heard of. Of course, all of those guys who make tapes and drives _say_ that there products are absolutely reliable, but nobody (in my price range, anyway) has been able to back that up. I just use DLT tapes (no loaders) with the simplest software I can get my hands on. That's wehre I've found my best reliability. Jim Helfer WTW Architects Pittsburgh PA -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: OT: Autodesk Discussion List Can anyone recommend their favorite Autodesk newsgroup? Does anyone out there support Autodesk or a Civil Engineering or Architecture environment? I have to give the President in the company a reality check on the demands of the backup travesty he insists on, and would like to discuss best practices with someone. He had a bad experience with tapes once (1998) and refuses to even consider going back to it. I am having to backup 80G to DVD every month. (Don't panic, this is for file server only, I snuck in a tape drive for Exchange when I built it. He found out last month.) Thank you for your time. 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