TMI TMI!!!! -------------------------- Martin Tuip MVP Exchange Exchange2000 List owner www.exchange-mail.org www.sharepointserver.com -------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Computer Associates
> ahahaa... :) > > You can add this to you list. An exact quote from a friend of mine about a > month ago... > > "InnoculateIt is to Trend Viruswall what a Pinto is to a Dodge Viper. Sure, > it has four wheels. So does my wife's dildo. It doesn't mean that I admit to > working with or using either." > > Denis > > Denis A. Baldwin > Network Administrator, CAE. Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lefkovics, > William > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:39 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Computer Associates > > > > CA contacted me, concerned about posts I've made regarding their products. > In the past it has not been their policy to participate in these forums > because vendors aren't always treated very well. They are reconsidering > this policy. > > William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP > > Here is the list of ACTUAL quotes I assembled for them in response to their > sudden concern (I did not include names, but these are from public forums): > > When someone made a comment like this: > > -"We have bought Arcserve 2000 w/ the backup agent for Exchange to backup > our Exchange Server and have been having nothing but problems." - Saul, > October 10, 2001 > > The ACTUAL replies were as follows: > > -"Do you really want us to go for the entire day about how HORRIBLE of a > product Jerkserv is/???? NTBACK2k [1] is 1000 times better. Return the > Jerkserv and install Backup Exec" > > -"The best thing to do with CA products, is to place them in the dumpster, > where they belong." > > -"We have been using Arcserve 2000 for awhile now and I would have to say > that it DOES SUCK." > > -"why do people buy that program? I have never heard anyone say anything > nice about it?" > > -"Don't get started on that crappy as*s piece of software." > > > Other comments about CA software, by those who actually use it: > > -"Let me clue you in on something. I've got a good friend at > CA - he told me that they have a bad time getting their E2K servers backed > up > using their product!!!!" > > -"ArcCrap is exactly that... Unreliable, no support, a pain in the arse, > breaks more than it fixes... Shall I go on?" > > -"Arcserve does an excellent job of backup things up, it's > downfall is the ability to restore things...." > > -"Arcserve and anything is not a good choice." > > -"I agree on Arcserve, which is the lowliest of backup products anyway." > > -"Arcserve and a dumpster are a perfect fit." > > -"There's only so much overtime one man can do, and my quota's > fully taken by using AarghServe" > > -"Run away! Fast! Seriously. There are very few here who like working with > ANY CA products even if they inherit them, much less ask for them." > > -"you can switch to arcserve if your current backup is too fast for you" > > -"Running Innoculan was somewhat akin to flogging myself." > > -"I've only purchased a few products from CA and the support was > absolutely horrid. I have had other system administrators with the same > experience. Most of the products themselves were very good until CA > buys the company, then the support seems to go down the tubes." > > -"I can't seem to get ARCServe to back up my (WINNT 4.0 SP6) Exchange server > 5.5 SP2 data files." > > -"EjaculateIT has worked well for us as a desktop antivirus solution for our > office, but for the Exchange Agent, I'd recommend hiring a tibetan monk to > analyse code segments manually for viral patterns than ever recommend this > piece of crap clearly written by laid off AOL programmers." > > -"The last time I remember any kind of success with ArcServe was when > Computer > Associates didn't own it and it was running on Novell. Ever since Computer > Associates got involved, it has become unreliable garbage." > > -"Yes, although usually alot of things tend to not work after a CA product > is > installed." > > -"When it comes time to update CA's stuff, maybe an alternative would be in > order > here." > > -"in my short time in the IT industry InoculateIT 4.53 is the worst piece of > software I have had the displeasure > to work with. Closely followed by Arcserve." > > -"I don't feel like playing with ArcServe**It right now." > > -"I just started a new job. they have this SQL server that is all hosed > up. I uninstall JarkServ and it all worked better : > no more problems > go figure." > > -"Don't use arcserve - its horrible." > > -"We cannot get a good IS backup using ArcServe2000..." > > -"Given the knowledge (or lack or it) exhibited by various CA > techs, I trust them about as far as I can throw them." > > -"You hate ARCServe? Can't understand why. Don't you like being pummeled by > a brain-dead licensing and registration process that's just an extra added > bit of torture?" > > -"when we moved to Exchange instead of Netscape Messaging Server, we > discovered that Arcserve wasn't too friendly" > > -"If our damn Arcserve was working could have restored the whole box, but it > has been failing > for a while." > > -"We use InocIT because the tech people aren't making enough of the buying > decisions around here. I would choose anything but InocIT. Actually I > would stay away from any CA product..." > > -"A search on ArcServe's tech support FAQs revealed nothing." > > -"licensing was the worst aspect of CAI products. Make that 2nd worst, after > tech support" > > -"ArcWreckIT will do exactly that..." > > -"Arcserve backups have been failing and I haven't got a backup." > > -"this InoculateIT software sucks!" > > -"I gave up using Arcserve 2000 - went back to using NTBackup, and then onto > Backup Exec." > > -"I hate ArcServe... I am holding my breath until we get the new servers up > and running -- and they won't be > using ArcServe." > > -"I am a fully signed up member of the CA bashing bandwagon." > > -"We unfortunately still use InnoculateIT on the desktops. Innoculate > couldn't catch a virus if it were sprinkled with anthrax powder." > > -"Unfortunately, yes, I have tried the CA support site. Spent 3 > hours going round in circles on it trying to find a decent answer!!" > > -"the answer would be, 'Anything but Arcserve.'" > > -"Federal law prohibits using the words "CA", "Exchange" and "scan" in the > same sentence." > > -"...having nothing at all is better than having InnoculateIT because then > you don't have a false sense of security?" > > -"It tells me the Database is corrupted. THANK YOU COMPUTER ASSOCIATES!" > > -"It goes great with the Inoculan Antivirus and Log File > Discombobulator system from Compooter Assoshiates." > > -"A similar thing happened to me when installing Computer Associate's > Inoculate IT according to the installation instructions on their CD. I do > not recall exactly all the changes I made, but it had to do with permissions > and/or search privileges. CA sent the "proper" installation instructions > via email saying, "Oh yeah, the instructions on the CD are wrong". It still > took several hours with PSS to get things back to normal.... > I don't know if this helps or if is just another anti-CA rant." > > -"We are trying to set up Arcserve 2000 to backup our Exchange 2000 server, > we > have bought the Exchange backup agent but are having a hell of a time trying > to set it up!!!!" > > -"ahem, I think that this just might be another quality CA experience." > > -"We bought ARCserve but it's just sitting here, unused and unloved." > > > Still, I close with a Haiku discussion from an Exchange Discussions forum, > which in its own way summarizes sentiment about your products : > > It's Five-Seven-Five > Your first line was only four > Go Punish yourself > > I screwed up haiku > So must now punish myself > Installing arcserv > > Installing Arcserve > Is not enough punishment > You must make it work. > > And backup alone > Is not good enough either. > You must restore too. > > And when you are done > Please call CA and let them > Know how you did it > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
