I have found that a 56k connection is ample for terminal services (pc
anywhere/dameware/win2k)

The frustration of watching the screen refresh is far outweighed by the
benefits or being able to carry out these tasks remotely



-----Original Message-----
From: Rowell, John (AFIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 04 April 2002 07:41
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware


You live in the USA, I live in Italy.  You have a fast connection from home,
I do not.

You watch basketball, I watch soccer.  :-)

You do it your way, I do it mine!

Your mailboxes take little time to move (it seems), mine would take in
excess of 1 day.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 April 2002 11:39
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> 
> 
> Overtime?
> 
> You lean over to your laptop on the coffee table at home
> connected over the VPN or TS session and select a block of 
> mailboxes and select move mailbox and return to the NCAA 
> basketball game or whatever.  An hour later, you select the 
> next block, then take the dog for a walk.  Return home, then 
> select the next block and play-wrestle with the wife for 
> awhile.  Select the next block, and it's dinnertime.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rowell, John (AFIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:23 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> 
> 
> It's fairly poor use of overtime, as I see it, watching
> mailboxes slowly move between servers.  So rather than doing 
> a lot of overtime, over several days, I prefer to do the 
> whole job in one day.  And if I'm going to do the job in one 
> day, I prefer the backup & restore method which is quicker, 
> and if you know what you are doing, it is not risky.  
> Actually my method is the off-line copy and quicker still 
> than doing a backup and restore.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tristan Gayford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 April 2002 10:16
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > 
> > 
> > Why only between 7am and 8am? Surely if you need to move them, a bit 
> > of overtime is in order to limit the downtime to the users. Plus 
> > with only 15GB, it could be easily done in a weekend with no impact 
> > to the end users and as you point out, would be much less risky.
> > 
> > Tris
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Tristan Gayford
> > Deputy Systems & Network Manager
> > Cranfield University at Silsoe
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rowell, John (AFIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 April 2002 08:52
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > 
> > 
> > No, I work 8x5 like the rest of the 4000 staff in my organization 
> > and so opportunities to move mailboxes are in a small window in the 
> > mornings between 7am and 8am, before users arrive.  That does not 
> > give a lot of time to move users, and moving a mailbox of, say, 100 
> > MB can take some time.  Try moving 500 mailboxes with an average of 
> > 30 MB each and I think you'll find it takes longer than a backup and 
> > restore.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 28 March 2002 16:57
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Do you work 24x7? Because assuming a 12 hour window on a
> Friday and
> > > Saturday night I could probably move around 30-40GB on a LAN and
> > > actual impact to any single user would likely be only a matter of 
> > > minutes.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rowell, John (AFIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:25 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Over 500.
> > > > 
> > > > Mailboxes can't be moved during working hours....
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: 26 March 2002 20:12
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Months to move? How many mailboxes are we talking here?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rowell, John (AFIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:32 AM
> > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > While the Ed Crowley Server Move method is very
> > > effective, I would
> > > > > not discount the backup and restore method, where you do
> > > the whole
> > > > > move within one day.  I've used the Ed Crawley Server
> > Move method
> > > > > and it works fine, but the downside is that it can take
> > months to
> > > > > move the mailboxes, if you have a lot of them, and if
> > > they are big.
> > > > > As a result, recently I used the server move method, and
> > > had great
> > > > > success, it was finished in one day and was much cleaner.  I 
> > > > > wouldn't say it's that risky, as long as you know how to
> > > back out of
> > > > > it.
> > > > > There are also two types of move, i) using one-line backup & 
> > > > > restore, ii) using off-line backup & restore, and I found the 
> > > > > latter easier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: 25 March 2002 18:14
> > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 5.5 to new hardware
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> 
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