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Here we have an excellent example of someone actually segmenting
their reply between nonsense and useful information.  The message is
68.18% useful and 31.82% nonsense (counting punctuation but excluding
the signature, as is required under the Unified Rules of Posting,
1999 Version).  Clearly he has disproved the earlier hypothesis and
its alleged ratios.

Further, he places his nonsense in parentheses, thereby reminding the
reader that nonsense always is an underlying, yet pervasive
afterthought in the 21st century.  His short but powerful post makes
me question my place in the universe (am I useful or nonsense).  He
further compels the reader to contemplate his existence and face his
own mortality.  I am frightened, yet uplifted.  I laughed, I cried. 
It was better then CATS.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 4:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

Not that I know, but you can always nest a DL inside a DL.  (That
wasn't
prOn was it)

Geoff.... 


- -----Original Message-----
From: paragon400 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 4:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


This brings up a question in my mind that I have to ask.  In Exch
5.5\2000,
is there a known limit to the number of addresses an object (in this
case a
DL) can have?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Answer to the $64k question...

The "Black Hole"...

Seriously....  They go absolutely nowhere...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Now to get that Woodruff guy really pissed off at my ignorance. I set
up the
now infamous "DL" with the dead e-mail addresses, and it works
great...thanks to all of you that provided the solution! Now for the
$64,000
question.....where do those e-mails go? Do the just get wiped out our
are
they sitting in Exchange somewhere building up like my wife's
pregnant
midsection?

BTW Chris...your future house/hospital/parking garage/church can be
seen at
www.tuparks.com <G>

Thanks!

Arch

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:23 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


I must respectfully disagree Mr. Slinger, and not just because you
sided
with Mr. Woodruff or because Mr. Willingham is working on the specs
for my
new house. 

Per 1, not knowing an acronym is hardly the same thing as not being
prepared
for class. I didn't chastise Mrs. Koslosky when she saw YMMV in usage
for
the first time and e-mailed me to ask what it meant. Course, I did
give her
a fishing lesson.

Per 3, 100% might be a bit high, but 78.2% of all statistics are made
up on
the fly. I don't doubt that he has learned a lot from this list and
occasionally dips his toe in. I like to think I do the same.

Per 4, it might explain why the acronym "DL" was such a foreign
concept to
him, the idea of a DL with no recipients as a solution to bouncing
mail is
hardly a self-apparent one. When I first lit upon the concept, I must
say I
was quite startled by its simplicity.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> Per 1, that kinda goes to the original purpose of this list.  You
> were  kinda expected to know that stuff before you showed up here. 
> But  that's clearly shot to hell.
> 
> Per 3, bullshit.
> 
> Per 4, Not relevant to the conversation.
> 
> It pains me to defend Woodruff given his previous (lack of) 
> contributions, but there you go.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 21:02
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are
> not  only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in
> other  functions in their company. In the case a vice president of
> a 
> construction company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get
>  screamed at by owner's, holler
at
> subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts payable, job
> cost,  maintain the other software on the network, etc, etc, etc.
> all in a 
crappy
> construction market where you can't hire a full time MIS person as
money
> is
> too tight.
> 
> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring
> a  bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?
> 
> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by
> someone  else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when
> possible and,  every once in a while, dipping my toe in the water
> and asking a 
> question.
> 
> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had
> someone  walk up and do something that, while you thought you knew
> it backwards  

> and forwards, you had no idea it would do?
> 
> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
>  questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything"
> bit  their head off for asking what they thought was a stupid 
> question...sound familiar?
> 
> Arch
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was kind
> of  weird for an Exch Admin not to know that.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Nice response...thanks...very helpful
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Uhhh....   Whats Exchange Server?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it.
> No  rule required.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees 
> personalmail
> 
> 
> The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox. 
> Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.
> 
> Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently 
> delete the
> messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
> vaporized.
> 
> Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that 
> ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any
>  e-mail message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When
> we  kill their old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves
> to  receive every piece of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons
> of them.  

> I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as
> it  

> comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to
> the sender that acts like the domain
> is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no
longer
> exist). For example, when our server went down during the
> conversion, 
all
> of
> the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my
account
> get
> set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets
> bounced 
is
> what I would like to do for specific addresses.
> 
> Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arch Willingham
> 
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