If you do think of going KVault, wait till V4 (with offline vault is available as it's only in beta at the moment).
Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -----Original Message----- From: Webb, Andy [mailto:Andy.Webb@;swinc.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 16:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' I think you'd benefit more from something like kvault that moved the data out to nearline or offline storage, but left it "within" the Exchange environment. It will result in far less usage of drive space, is easily backed up and will result in fewer support calls. There are several Exchange Archiving products out there. None are particularly cheap, but then what's the total organizational cost of how you're managing it today? IT is supposed to be a facilitator of whatever the business does to make money. In general individual users do not have the skill or regimentation to be their own librarians. That's why in many large companies there is one, though not in nearly enough companies. IT should be helping the users apply the data retention, categorization, and retrievability policies defined by the librarian. Any mucking about with mailbox limits is a treatment of a symptom, not the root causes. I do understand that servers must be maintained at a "recoverable" level as defined by formal or informal SLA's. I just don't believe that pushing data that people deem "valuable" into unrecoverable and widely dispersed storage media is the right way to maintain the SLA. ======================================================= Andy Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.swinc.com Simpler-Webb, Inc. Austin, TX 512-322-0071 ======================================================= ---Original Message----- From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk] Posted At: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:26 AM Posted To: Microsoft Exchange Conversation: Using a PST for 'overflow' Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' We've been forced into restricting mailboxes as everyones being moved to a central server. Most users are having no problems getting their mailboxes down to 25-50mb, some much lower, a handful much higher. I'm finding it easiest to set some limits on the IS, then override that on individual mailboxes, as required, the MD for instance has a 500mb mailbox, after 2 CD's worth of archiving :-O What I've been saying to users is delete everything you can, anything older than 2 months that you need to keep put into a subfolder, then I go round and export these folders to PSTs, and dump them in their user folders on their local file servers, meaning they're included in the backups on their local servers, but the backup and disk space burden is removed from the Exchange server. I test the PSTs before deleting the originals, but I've seen nothing bigger than about 4-500mb. With enforced limits user will have to keep things in order, and we'll have to look at ongoing archiving in the method described above. 99% aren't aware of PST's, which is probably a good thing, though its added to my workload -----Original Message----- From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions@;entrysecurity.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 13:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' I do. They don't know they can save them up on their home folder. They know I don't back up the workstations, but most think that you only can save PSTs on local drives ;) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Sander Van Butzelaar Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 07:05 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' Why the hard line approach? I never said I made the backup of the PST, that's why one has a facilities department...I also didn't say that I found that mail particularly important, the user wants to keep it, so why not let him/her? They know not to come to me regarding items in PST files. Give the user a bit of slack here David. Sander -----Original Message----- From: David N. Precht [mailto:discussions@;entrysecurity.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 01:56 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' No, just inform them of the 'No PST Backup' policy. I don't back up PSTs. Period. Either its in their mailbox or it is not that important. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-224131@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Sander Van Butzelaar Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 05:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Using a PST for 'overflow' I have a couple of users who do the same thing. They don't want to delete old mail (for whatever reason) and I can't keep extending their mailbox sizes. So they "move" to PST. Be aware of the risks here! Make a periodic backup of that PST as hard drives are prone to failure. Sander -----Original Message----- From: Niki Blowfield - Exchange [mailto:exchangelist@;partition.co.uk] Sent: 06 November 2002 12:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Using a PST for 'overflow' I was having a discussion with someone the other day and he mentioned this phrase in passing, that they used PST files when user mailboxes became full I didn't dwell on this as we were talking about something else, but can anyone suggest what he may have meant? We are now enforcing stricter limits on mailbox size and would be interested in something like this. For ongoing maintenance, is Outlooks Autoarchiving a viable solution? i.e. does this move mail out of the server information store and into a PST in the users local profile? 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