This proves my point. These discussions take place in private, not public. > Big time. You should have been in the room with the Outlook MVPs and the > Outlook Dev guys last Summit talking about the new security features. I > feared lives would be lost. > > -Ben- > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 > Director of Information Services > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 4:15 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > No kidding. Until you have sat in a room with 10 MVP's and > > some MS development people, you have no idea. > > > > Martin Blackstone > > Microsoft MVP. > > Mmmmm MVP > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:11 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: Re: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > lol > > Thanks for the good laugh. > > I have found that the harshest critics of Microsoft products > > are the MVPS > > themselves. > > > > Andy David > > Microsoft MVP. > > There, is that better? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > > My point is that it serves no useful purpose to cast > > aspersions as to > > > people's attitudes and motivations because everyone is > > biased in one > > > way or another. > > > > > > I believe that this is really systemic with regards to the > > problems of > > > the IT industry as a whole. The entire industry is vendor and tool > > > focused and that is a huge problem in IT. It tends to > > polarize people > > > such that everyone is grouped into two categories, people > > that hate a > > > particular vendor or tool and people that love a particular > > vendor or > > > tool. This is just plain stupid. > > > > > > The IT industry has some fundamental problems. Microsoft, > > as part of > > > that industry suffers from some of the same problems as > > well as some > > > of their own unique deficiencies. Novell has their own > > unique issues, > > > so does IBM and so does every other vendor in this space. > > But it seems > > > that you cannot point out these deficiencies without people > > > categorizing and stereotyping you in one way or another. I reject > > > that. > > > > > > I hate all vendors of software tools equally. I find this > > an absolute > > > requirement to provide true, unbiased consulting services. > > If you were > > > to follow my posts on a GroupWise board or a Notes board, you would > > > see me make similar arguments regarding the deficiencies of their > > > products and company. However, since I make most of my revenue from > > > Microsoft products and Exchange, I tend to be more active in that > > > area. > > > > > > And the other thing that REALLY chaps me is people that cast > > > aspersions on others without fessing up to their own > > biases. MVP's are > > > the worst of this lot. They secretly get direct compensation from > > > Microsoft and then try to pass themselves off as unbiased. But you > > > look at their posts and it is obvious that they are simply paid > > > advocates for Microsoft and part of their responsibility is > > to vilify > > > anyone that says anything negative with regards to Microsoft. And > > > these are the same people that list every last > > certification and other > > > acronym that they can paste onto the end of their sig, but > > you never > > > see Microsoft MVP. I wonder why? Microsoft asked me to > > become an MVP > > > and I told them to go jump in a lake. More people need to take this > > > approach and be true consultants, not advocates. > > > > > > > Are you saying that your own interpretation of your own > > attitude is > > > > unbiased? Or that your own evaluation of whether or not your > > > > paranioa about how Microsoft are out to get you is unbiased? > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > Also an MVP by the way. > > > > Want to throw some mud at me too? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 > > > > > Sent: 07 February 2003 11:43 > > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > And Ed, if I am not mistaken, you are also a Microsoft > > MVP,=20 so > > > > >whose interpretation is unbiased, mine or yours? =20 > > > > > > I continue to believe my interpretation of your attitude is > > > > > >more=20 accurate than your defense thereof. =20 > > > > > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I > > > > > > Tech Consultant > > > > > > hp Services > > > > > > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! > > > > > >=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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