Is this what Manna is?

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From: "Erik Sojka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:26:56 -0500

It's raining Manna! Hallelujah!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
>
>
> That's like manna from heaven!
>
> Thanks Erik.
>
> Eric Fretz
>
> L-3 Communications
> ComCept Division
> 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> Rockwall, TX 75032
> tel:   972.772.7501
> fax:  972.772.7510
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:10 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
>
>
> Read, understand and read again the MS Exchange Backup and
> Disaster Recovery
> Whitepaper.  Link to it is in the FAQ or is google-able.
>
> Then read it again.
>
> If you need to recover a single mailbox (a relatively
> unlikely occurrence if
> you follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method - also in the
> FAQ) you can do
> the full restore to another server, then extract out the
> needed mailbox and
> merge it into the live server store, affecting no other users.
>
> Read the Whitepaper!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:09 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> >
> > I agree.  Although, what happens when an idiot user trashes
> > their inbox and
> > then convienently forgets to tell me until after the 1 week
> retention
> > period?  Restoring the entire store would be a bad idea(tm)
> > because it was
> > set everybody back to the state the were in when the backup
> > was made, right?
> >
> > I agree Brick backups are bad idea, I just don't have any
> > better one's at
> > the moment.
> >
> > Eric Fretz
> >
> > L-3 Communications
> > ComCept Division
> > 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> > Rockwall, TX 75032
> > tel:   972.772.7501
> > fax:  972.772.7510
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:06 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> >
> > Ok, but what is BLB going to do for you? If you backup the
> > whole store at
> > once the normal way, you are going to be back up and running
> > a heck of a lot
> > faster than if you had to restore mailboxes one by one.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:01 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> > Murphy's law says that any working device can crap out and
> > any moment.  This
> > box is running on a gateway 1U server with no RAID drives.
> > All it takes is
> > one hardware failure on a drive to take out the Private
> store and I am
> > screwed.  This company doesn't even have any tape drives that
> > are large
> > enough to hold a backup of the mailboxes.  I've had to use
> > Backup-to-disk
> > folders on other servers to get space to hold the backups.
> > Yes, I know I
> > need tape drives.  Yes, I know that I need backup exec 9 (and
> > the exchange
> > agent).  Those are all planned purchased in Q1 of '04.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Fretz
> >
> > L-3 Communications
> > ComCept Division
> > 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> > Rockwall, TX 75032
> > tel:   972.772.7501
> > fax:  972.772.7510
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:41 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> >
> > It could tank at any moment then this means you should use
> > brick level
> > backups. Where did you hear that or am i missing something
> >
> >
> > From: Eric Fretz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:35:21 -0600
> >
> > I've inherited this IT environment and I can't spend any
> > money until Jan.
> > 5th.  Oh, by the way, this exchange box as not been backed up
> > since it was
> > built 2.5 years ago!  Brick backups are start because this
> > box could tank at
> > any moment.  I'm purchasing Veritas BE 9 in January, but I
> > cannot get it
> > until then.
> >
> > I might have a trial copy of BE 9 and I can use until then, though.
> >
> >
> > Eric Fretz
> >
> > L-3 Communications
> > ComCept Division
> > 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> > Rockwall, TX 75032
> > tel:   972.772.7501
> > fax:  972.772.7510
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:14 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> >
> > You're not going to like this answer, but brick backup is a
> > great big kludgy
> > crutch for administrators who insist on managing their
> > Exchange environment
> > like they would a Microsoft Mail environment.  Quit depending on it.
> >
> > http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm
> >
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
> > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fretz
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:16 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Problems with Backup Exec 8.5
> >
> > For those of you with Veritas (Or Seagate) Backup Exec, I
> > have a problem
> > with restoring individual user mailboxes.  Everytime I try to
> > restore an
> > individuals mailbox, the job copies 9088 bytes and then
> > hangs.  It never
> > fails or gives an error message.
> >
> > My mail server is Exchange 5.5 standard running on a Windows
> > 2000 Server
> > (SP4) with Veritas Backup Exec v8.5.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric Fretz
> >
> > L-3 Communications
> > ComCept Division
> > 2800 Discovery Blvd.
> > Rockwall, TX 75032
> > tel:   972.772.7501
> > fax:  972.772.7510
> >
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