First of all, I've seen plenty of statements by people who accurately depict reasons that your opinion is bunk. You've either not read or not comprehended them.
I've seen your comments repeatedly over the years, and continue to disagree with them. Its also painfully obvious to a casual observer that you're using incorrect statements in defense of your position. > "And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that > a company's employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that > lawyers and doctors follow are also not laws." While this is technically accurate, in fact it is inaccurate. Both these professions require licenses to practice. Lawyers who decide to cross a relatively arbitrary line involving a conflict of interest can and have been disbarred - in other words, their license to practice law is revoked. Doctors, too, can have their medical license suspended or revoked. In either case, they are not allowed to practice their profession without that license. Ergo, those professions' codes of ethics *are*, if somewhat indirect, law. Your most asinine statements, however, are your explicit statements that being awarded a vendor sponsored honor automatically removes any and all objectivity for those on whom the honor is bestowed. The fact that you repeatedly use that argument shows me how weak your argument really is, especially since you can't show a single instance of where this actually has happened. Because the MVP community is both under NDA's to Microsoft and also has private community newsgroups, you don't see that MVP's as a group are some of the most critical of Microsoft's products and policies. But none of that matters to you, because we're all just in Microsoft's pockets anyways. Its not like 12 of the 24 servers I've deployed this year run non-Microsoft OS's or anything.[1] So, I think its fair to say that you've not come even remotely close to proving to anyone where this alleged conflict of interest is, and how it negatively impacts our objectivity. And, in the interest of full disclosure, two of the three accolades in my signature line are from Microsoft, obviously the last two. The first (MTS) was bestowed by my employer. Does that mean I'm instantly biased towards my employer? Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] 8 OpenBSD and 4 Linux, with 2 more Linux boxes due early next year > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics > are designed to > define the ceiling. > > No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things > that people > seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a > spokesman, I have an opinion. > > I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is > talk, talk, > talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see > you make an > intelligent comment or argument yet. > > > A personal attack from me goes sooooo much deeper, but I'll > leave that be. > > On to bigger and brighter things!!! > > > > >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that > a company's > > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and > doctors follow > > are also not laws." > > > > Oh really! > > > > >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or > in part, deciding > > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, > not a legislative > > body." > > > > Now we're getting somewhere!!! Tell me Greg, are YOU the > spokesman for the > > IT industry? Does the IT industry have "party" > affiliations? Are Ed and > > the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where you're the > > "Conservative"? Who voted you to be the spokesman for the > IT industry and > > why didn't I/we get to vote? > > > > >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something > that you have not > > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your > > criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)" > > > > Not educated on Ethics? Oh, I'm very educated in many > things, IT just > > happens to be one of them. I'm just interested in how you > came to these > > conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and > anyone else who > > follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them... > > > > NEXT! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > > What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest > in your criticism. > > > > And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's > > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and > doctors follow > > are also not laws. > > > > This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in > part, deciding > > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, > not a legislative > > body. > > > > Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that > you have not > > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your > criticism, have > > nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of > arguing. So, that > > being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy? > > > > > Oh, that was not a personal attack... And I don't lose > arguments... > > > > > > I tell ya what. You find me the documentation to support > your claim > > > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you. > I'll need > > > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a > consortium of > > > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on > this subject. > > > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so > I can see at > > > what point in time these laws went into effect... > > > > > > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical > > > violation, right? > > > > > > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise > > > migration since it might get those of us who are not > MVP's nominated > > > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist > you. So, > > > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide > will be unethical in > > nature... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 > > > > > > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that > someone has lost > > > an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a > wife beater, > > > a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep > learning > > > things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list. > > > > > > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you... You > should have > > > > asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you > some brain > > > > cells to operate with... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&t ext_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
