Hi all, i think none have read my last mail on this, kindly read and understand what it means, You all get your answers to it... Moni ji ek zameen banjjar hai, duusra kissan kanjjar hai.. ha ha To all my freinds and fellow sikh.. This the last i am writting on this topic... Few of my freinds have pointed out right things and some not so right..
# Wasting food not done.. # Having separte NK in various part of city is also not done by me ( as One NK is enough from the main Gurudawara to another in the major part of delhi )... # Guru's were simple in thought process but living were like Kings Litrealy (so many Royal building's were biult by our Guru's as gurudawara's, riding horses were only for the the Royal which guru sahebain made it available to all, wearing Turban or Hand made topi were only for Royals, guru sahib made it a part of our life to dress up and live a life of King but be a humble as a servant ) Harminder sahib, Anad pur sahib, Hazoor sahib, moti bagh, Dam dama sahib, and many more, they use to dress like Kings from 4th Guru Arjan dev ji maharaj and Processions were quite common in those days.. EN SIKHEN KO MEIN DU PATSHAHI ( king of kings ) tab eh jane hameri guraiee... ( I will make a simple man a King, then they will belive in what i preach... ( my translation cannot reach the thought of our guru saheb but just a effort ) # May the carpet new or old, but you did what suited the situation and that's good.. doing seva at langaar hall is divine.. BUT MY POINT TO YOU ALL IS WHEN THE ALL THE PROBLEM'S FACED AND ADHERED THEN WHAT ARE WE ALL DOING ABOUT IT... SAYING AND CRIBING IS VERY EASY BUT DOING IS IMPORTANT... THE PROBLEMS SHOULD BE TAKEN FURTHER TO THE CONCEREND PEOPLE.. Make points which needs to be done and lets GO to the concerend Orgnisation and DO some thing... IS ANYONE OR ALL ARE READY.... Being or called a sikh is compelety different from LIVING as a Sikh..... The blood donation suggestion is still pending, Tunnu, IP my brothers were supposed to make a data... If any one or all are ready for a change THEN we need to GET the change.. Lets do it.. Singh is the humble servant of the Almighty Akal purakh King..... Waheguru ji da Khalsa Waheguru ji de Fateh..... - Show quoted text - On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Shailender Monga < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Being an advocate of religion as a private matter , and not a public domain, I would usually stay away from processions. yet, I would be seriously concerned at incidents like these:( please read the link) http://thelangarhall.com/archives/1257 We need to keep our identity distinct and alive. A religion is like a business( no offence)- Out of Sight equals Out of mind. How we create that top of the mind awareness is at the heart of the matter which is being thrashed out here. Its important to let the world know what we STAND for, what Sikhism MEANS. If a procession through the heart of the city, twice a year can convey that, sure. If it brings the traffic to a standstill, sure. But then there are about 180 other sects/religions/political agendas/social issues which need to be expressed. Let us allow 2 days a year each for those and sit at home :) What matters, truly, is this: 1. Sikhism is a Divine, tolerant and beautiful thought. The thought needs to be expressed in all its resplendent glory. 2. The ideology of the Gurus has to be propagated, and NOT the brand "Singh is King" What would make a Singh King is his ability to be a True Learner ...learner of the times that they belong in. Being Contemporary and possibly ahead of times. The Guru's were ahead of their times. they said no to idol worship, no to rituals when the whole world revolved around them. The Rajouri garden nagar kirtan is a very good example of what can be done much much better. The amount of food fiesta that goes around to feed the usually well fed participants, can definitely be put to better use. My views and I am open to hearing all others :) WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki fateh. ( which is sadly being replaced by Singh is king as the new age mantra ) Reply Forward On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Premjit Singh Chadha < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Niri > > Chill ok there is a lot of Diff between a Simple nagar Kirtan and wastage. > All of us are Proud Sikhs and there is no where written in the Gurbani that > you waste on excess . > > Nagar kirtan can be done in a simple way with a low profile. Am sure our > Guru sabs would want their sikhs to be nimane. > > Again as I said all to thier own and all are entilted to thier own views. > > PSC > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:07 AM, nirmohan singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Shame on everybody who is against nagarkirtans. It is so shallow and >> distrubing that this coversation is among sikhs and more so who have >> studied in GHPS. >> >> So many years of schooling and religous sermons gone down the drain..As >> someone had said : beej to bahut achca tha lekin sali zameen hi banjar >> nikli" Supreme sacrifices by our guru have bought us the the grandeur and >> the chardikaala which we take for granted.. >> >> Most of India would be muslim if not for gursahib sacrifices, non muslims >> were not even allowed to have turbans leave alone carring weapons .aaryee >> boss the conversation should be, yaar , I didnt see you at the >> gurpurab...,is everything ok? >> >> >> very sad and disturbing to say the least.. . >> >> >> herbi key bhachey yeah sari teri aag lagai hui hai...... >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:57:09 +0530 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: exghps1988v_v Re: Nagar Kirtans >> >> >> To all my freinds and fellow sikh.. This the last i am writting on this >> topic... Few of my freinds have pointed out right things and some not so >> right.. >> >> # Wasting food not done.. >> >> # Having separte NK in various part of city is also not done by me ( as >> One NK is enough from the main Gurudawara to another in the major part of >> delhi )... >> >> # Guru's were simple in thought process but living were like Kings >> Litrealy (so many Royal building's were biult by our Guru's as gurudawara's, >> riding horses were only for the the Royal which guru sahebain made it >> available to all, wearing Turban or Hand made topi were only for Royals, >> guru sahib made it a part of our life to dress up and live a life of King >> but be a humble as a servant ) Harminder sahib, Anad pur sahib, Hazoor >> sahib, moti bagh, Dam dama sahib, and many more, they use to dress like >> Kings from 4th Guru Arjan dev ji maharaj and Processions were quite common >> in those days.. >> >> EN SIKHEN KO MEIN DU PATSHAHI ( king of kings ) tab eh jane hameri >> guraiee... ( I will make a simple man a King, then they will belive in what >> i preach... ( my translation cannot reach the thought of our guru saheb >> but just a effort ) >> >> >> # May the carpet new or old, but you did what suited the situation and >> that's good.. doing seva at langaar hall is divine.. >> >> BUT MY POINT TO YOU ALL IS WHEN THE ALL THE PROBLEM'S FACED AND ADHERED >> THEN WHAT ARE WE ALL DOING ABOUT IT... SAYING AND CRIBING IS VERY EASY BUT >> DOING IS IMPORTANT... THE PROBLEMS SHOULD BE TAKEN FURTHER TO THE CONCEREND >> PEOPLE.. Make points which needs to be done and lets GO to the concerend >> Orgnisation and DO some thing... IS ANYONE OR ALL ARE READY.... >> >> Being or called a sikh is compelety different from LIVING as a Sikh..... >> The blood donation suggestion is still pending, Tunnu, IP my brothers were >> supposed to make a data... >> >> If any one or all are ready for a change THEN we need to GET the change.. >> Lets do it.. >> >> Singh is the humble servant of the Almighty Akal purakh King..... >> Waheguru ji da Khalsa Waheguru ji de Fateh..... >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Shailender Monga < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Being an advocate of religion as a private matter , and not a public >> domain, I would usually stay away from processions. >> yet, I would be seriously concerned at incidents like these:( please read >> the link) >> >> http://thelangarhall.com/archives/1257 >> >> We need to keep our identity distinct and alive. A religion is like a >> business( no offence)- Out of Sight equals Out of mind. >> How we create that top of the mind awareness is at the heart of the matter >> which is being thrashed out here. >> Its important to let the world know what we STAND for, what Sikhism MEANS. >> If a procession through the heart of the city, twice a year can convey >> that, sure. If it brings the traffic to a standstill, sure. But then there >> are about 180 other sects/religions/political agendas/social issues which >> need to be expressed. Let us allow 2 days a year each for those and sit at >> home :) >> >> What matters, truly, is this: >> >> 1. Sikhism is a Divine, tolerant and beautiful thought. The thought needs >> to be expressed in all its resplendent glory. >> 2. The ideology of the Gurus has to be propagated, and NOT the brand >> "Singh is King" >> What would make a Singh King is his ability to be a True Learner >> ...learner of the times that they belong in. Being Contemporary and possibly >> ahead of times. >> >> The Guru's were ahead of their times. they said no to idol worship, no to >> rituals when the whole world revolved around them. >> The Rajouri garden nagar kirtan is a very good example of what can be done >> much much better. The amount of food fiesta that goes around to feed the >> usually well fed participants, can definitely be put to better use. >> >> My views and I am open to hearing all others :) >> >> WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki fateh. 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