On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 04:04, J. Craig Woods wrote: > > Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > Craig, > > -----snip----- > > (The events below relate to before Christmas) > > > > Anyway, I thought I'd let you know that I have a 98 machine here > > that does internet connection sharing thru this LM81 machine. In > > order to get this working, I did indeed have to set the winblows box > > for dhcp operation; I used the icsset setup disk that windows > > generated on another internet connection machine (98). Thus the > > disk set everything automatically. Even though it was an LM81 box > > that was the ICS connection. > > > > The first thing I tried, of course, was what you suggested. I wanted > > the same thing. I made sure the addresses were unique and on the > > 192.168.0.x net with the netmask you recommended, plus the gateway > > was specified. Frankly, I wanted this to work; and even though there > > was no palpable reason why it would not, it just didn't. Did'nt > > take the time to dig into it, I consider winblows a waste of time > > anyway unless my son and I are playing BG2 net style(winex won't do > > net bg). > > > > I even ditched the ICS setup disk one time and just duplicated it's > > settings on the 98 box. Still did'nt work. I've got a feeling it > > was a sucker trap of some sort, but I did'nt stop to diagnose it. > > My son was ready to play. :) > I have mandrake running on my router/gateway/firewall server, and, of > course, it is running NAT. But, and I guess this is a very BIG but, I am > running MDK7.2. I love it, and I am not ready to give it up. I have set > up the five machines behind my firewall using class c ip addresses. > These were set up manually. Now, what I hear you saying is that MDK8.1 > or 8.2 will not allow this to happen. If this is true, that is very very > bad news indeed, and another reason to stay with MDK7.2. I would like to > see this confirmed by the mandrake staff. As I travel around the > country, working in large IT departments, of course, I would never > recommend not running a DHCP server in a enterprise environment > consisting of some 2000 plus end users. But why on earth would Mandrake > force someone into using the DHCP service when they have, Hmmm. Well, there's a misunderstanding here, first of all. Mandrake is not forcing anything; as a matter of fact, my whole point above was that it was 98 that was being obstinate. The network here works just fine, with no problems; but the way I got there is detailed above. LM81 never caused any problems whatsoever; all net connections attempted by anyone on the local net using a 98 client (after we gave them what they wanted) went thru the LM81 machine doing ICS just fine. > as Jason does, > one machine (yes, and a laptop) behind the firewall. Someone having > trouble manually assigning ip address and netmask info on the interface > device in a WIN98 machine should not, and I repeat, should not be asked > to set up a DHCP server in the very beginning when all he or she hopes > to accomplish is ICS. This does not make any sense to me. Well, that's what 98 does. Whenever you use the native 98 ICS utilities to designate the ICS machine and it's clients on a 98 network, it sets the 98 clients to DHCP operation. I personally had no trouble setting ICS mode on the LM81 machine; it was a complete no brainer. Whenever that is done (on the LM81 box) however, the dhcp rpms are loaded by rpmdrake if they are not already there. The idea here is that Mandrake Control Center considers it mandadory to have dhcp capability in place when you configure Internet Connection Sharing. I honestly can't see the concern about the difficulty of ICS setup on Mandrake after having gone through it myself. It was a breeze. The problem was not with LM81 setups. > Now as far as the difficulty you had with the WIN98 machine. What do you > mean when you say it would not work? You could not get WIN98 to take the > ip assignment? WIN98 took the ip address but would not route through the > gateway server? See, hear in lies Jason's issue, he has a ip address on > the WIN98 machine that will not allow him to ever get out to the > internet through the gateway server. He must change that IP address in > one of two ways: one way is to manually configure it (and I would hate > to think that any version of Linux, being ran on the gateway server, > would preclude me from making manual changes to my private client > machines). For someone relatively new to Linux, the second way is the > complicated way. He or she must setup a DHCP server and setup all of the > client machines with dhcp client info. Hmmm, I guess I know which method > I would recommend that this person do. Well, as I said, I also duplicated the work of the 98 ICS setup disk on the 98 machines in the network configuration dialogue of Windoze. Did the machines ping? Yes. Did they see each other? Yes. Did they use the gateway, i.e. LM81 machine? No. When I used the ICS setup disk generated by the (temporary) sample 98 ICS gateway machine, did they use the LM81 gateway? Yes. Was everything working at that point? Yes. Now...As to what you said above about setting up a dhcp server. A seperate machine? From the LM81 ICS machine? You're not serious here, are you? Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting this and what you are saying. Because the fact of the matter is that any LM81 machine becomes dhcp server capable as soon as the ICS dialogue in the Mandrake Control Center is completed. This is how the LM81 machine masquerades as a windoze compatible ICS server. Because the 98 ICS client machines need (by factory icssetup disk) an IP address assigned by dhcp. > And it sounds like, in addition to some ip addressing, some gateway > addressing needs to be look at too. This most likely involves looking at > what is setup in that dang winbloze machine. Now if I could truly be > candid for a second, I would suggest he give that software the heave-ho. > But like you, and many others that have young ones around, that might > not be possible. My first inclination was to lean towards the static IP approach. But there are many wierdisms with windoze machines; probably because there were meant to be by the manufacturer of the OS. In another situation I was responsible for a set of windoze machines using a Red Hat gateway. I used a static IP approach in that case, and it worked. Fast forward to shortly before last Christmas; different set of machines, different windoze flavor; and I find that an ICS setup disk with an LM81 connection sharing machine seem to work better. Was this an issue with LM81? Of course not. Was I curious about why it was happening? Slightly. Was I going to take the time to chase down the reason in the bowels of a windoze machine? H*ll no. Definite waste of time. > The letter I took offline was address to Ron G. because I felt it was > necessary to explain somethings that might have not been helpful to the > whole gang out here just waiting for all the good stuff we see on the > list :-). Ahh. Well, it sounded like you were keeping some goodies to yourself. <grin> > Anyway, Lyvim, thanks for your concern, and as of now, due to my > verbosity, you are the only one at this line in the letter.... > > he...he....he L8R, LX -- ��������������������������������������������������� Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5 Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ ��������������������������������������������������� _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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