J. Grant wrote: > > > civileme wrote: > > J. Grant wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> I'm interested to know why "Commerical Apps CD1" is called that? As in > >> actual fact the entire GNU/Linux Madrake distribution is commercial. > >> Well, there is nothing wrong with commercialising high quality Free > >> (open source) software. In fact very glad Madrake is > commericialising it. > >> > >> Perhaps this should be renamed "Proprietry Apps CD1"? Currently its > >> miss leading and some people might put in the wrong CD. > >> > >> JG > >> > > And if they do, urpmi will reject it and again ask for the correct > disk. > > Ranaming it internally as well as externally is what I meant. > > > Except that some rpms did not get put on the PWP CDs, the Install CDs > > are the same as the download CDs, i.e. they are free software included > > in the commercial box. That does not make them commercial, because > with > > those CDs you have the following rights: > > > > 1. To use > > 2. To modify for your own use (source code available) > > 3. To redistribute (and to charge a reasonable copying fee) > > 4. To redistribute modified copies (and to charge a reasonable > copying fee) > > > > You also have the binding obligation to pass on those rights in any > > redistribution. > > > > For that reason those install disks cannot be called commercial CDs. > > I was under the impression that you were charging a fee for the box > total, not only charing for commerical cds and manuals and giving the > first 2 cds free. charging for distribution means it is commercial IMO, > unless mandrake has changed to being a non-profit charity organisation. > > > Now using the tools on those disks it is possible to make commercial > > software which you can license differently, and many of the libraries > > have a license that permits them to be included in a commercial > package, > > so IP for those who want it is still available. The idea here was to > > make available freely a powerful set of tools to stimulate progress or > > to support research, and there's a worldwide community behind that. > > > > You may note that all the Mandrake-specific tools are copyrighted and > > licensed under the GNU GPL or GPL2 or LGPL, as appropriate. There is > > nothing to stop a competitor from putting the tools or modified copies > > of them into his distribution, or a new entry into the linux commercial > > community based on MandrakeLinux. > > So are you saying that 2 of the CDs in my power pack are not-commerical > but the rest are? and for that reason they should be the only ones > labeled 'commerical'? Elaborate please. > > > It might be better to name them CD1-CD7, though. The commercial CDs > are > > basically done by a different team... People who negotiate with > vendors > > and people who package the apps have little overlap with the developers > > of the downloadable CDs, and they obviously have many other duties, so > > the nomenclature grew out of that for internal use. > > > > Civileme > > > > JG > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > I think this is more semantics than anything else.
The CDs that are in the pack which are downloadable also are included in the pack. They are not free of charge. If you asked me to burn you a copy and I charged you a fee for copying them, to cover my time, materials, and shipping, that doesn't make the software less free. In fact the "free" we speak of here is like the French "libre", not "gratuit". Now the commercial CD, if you asked me to burn you a copy, I would probably refuse, because I am not permitted to redistribute it. Actually most of the price you are paying for the boxed set isn't for the work on the distribution preparation, though that is a cost and one Mandrakesoft has to defray with other activities. It is for the packaging and shipping and marketing, and perhaps for the support though the support could be better and is now improving. But if you want to call them commercial since they are in a boxed commercial set, feel free. The fact is the software on them is free. The distinction Mandrakesoft is making is that the softwae on the commercial CDs is from third parties and is not freely redistributable. Civileme
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