On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 11:34, John Wilson wrote:
> On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> >Compusa
> > now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets  Fry's has put
> > RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> > sold MDK up through 7.2)  The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
> > a sales leader goes.  Why?  Getting people to do an impulse buy of a 30
> > dollar (roughly) set is a lot easier than the 100 dollar version.  But
> > still the problem in the US is that when you mention open source people
> > thing Red Hat (and as a FreeBSD user this is a real sore spot, FreeBSD
> > isn't Linux. *grin*) Doing things like LinuxWorld or Comdex in the US
> > isn't that important for a distro.  But visibility in the market place
> > is.
> >
> 
> I tend to agree, James.  But remember that this doesn't just apply to the US.  
> It also applies to Canada where Linux isn't involved in quite the same the 
> same M$hite vs the world arguments.

I only spoke for the US because I'm a US Citizen and don't feel
justified in speaking for all North Americans.  But even though they
have broadband a number of my Canadian friends as well have stated that
when they want it they want it now.  Not 6 hours and 12 coasters
later.   Not 6 weeeks from now (or even a week from now.) via UPS or
Parcel Post.  It's the impatience of State Siders.  To quote Homer
Simpson.  "3 seconds!...ohhhhhhh, but I want it now!."  Frankly the
quality of a commercial CD is better than a home burned one if for no
other reason than QA is there. (and they use better disks than I do.. I
go for the 100 cds for >14.99 deals.) 


> 
> Visibilty is key to any of this.  And that does mean visibility in places like 
> Future Shop, University bookstores and the like.

Amen
> 
> I know a retailer who follows the "most popular" distro polls and is 
> frustrated as all get out that he can't get Mandrake on the shelves.

Same here.  

> 
> It all comes down to a chicken and egg argument.  People who try Linux will 
> opt for RedHat or SuSE because it's on the shelves.  Mandrake barely even 
> comes into it until some poor soul who bought RedHat suddenly realizes what a 
> pain in the ass it is to configure.   Then they either give up or they'll 
> listen and download the ISO and try Mandrake.  SuSE users don't have quite 
> the same problems getting going but they have their problems too.


> 
> Meanwhile, I don't think this will get resolved here, sadly.  But perhaps 
> Mandrake is listening. :-)
> 
> ttfn
> 
> John

I get the feeling they are starting too. (listen that is)  Seems that
the thread I started on adds here and the extreme (but intelligent)
soapboxing admw was doing over in cooker has made MDK rethink a bit on
how they are going to do the "addware" version. Or at least how they
will present it to the community.  One thing MDK has never been good at
is tooting their own horn.  I'm tired of seeing red hats and Lethargic
Lizards at Linux world etc.  We need more Top Hats *grin*.  

James 


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