Chuck, what do you want to do? Do you want to see the class suceed, or make it a vintage class with a couple of old farts racing? Chris R
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If F500 were turned into a training ground for young Lions then you guys would hate the class and go somewhere wlse. Chuck >From: Chris Reinhardt >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:51:36 -0700 (PDT) > > I disagree, there's plenty of families that have spend good money chasing >a kart series, who could spend just as much doing F500. There's no TV >coverage for any of the kart series that I know of, at least there is for >the F500 at the run offs. OK dare I say it, there's probably the best TV >coverage and PR for the buck would be......Spec Miata. > Again, if we could establish a conduit from karting directly into F500, >then you would lots of karter's coming in. Besides, in order to jump start >the class, you need young meat... > > Chris R. > >Jay Novak wrote: > Steve, you have said it very well. F500 will never be a feeder class. >The >top karting guys with any $$$ jump to something that gets them PR. > > >Thanks ... Jay Novak > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve >K. Thompson >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts > >I'm probably going to get flamed like there's no tomorrow for this but, >FWIW, I think the karting magazines may not be the best place for the >majority of the advertising effort, although any effort is better than >none. I think most serious karters, especially those looking to make >money in racing which is pretty much most of them, would view F500 as a >sidestep at best. F500 really does not offer a lot of value on the >racing ladder. Which is not to say it is not the best bang for the buck >competition-wise (if the fields were anywhere near the size they should >be). Reasons why F500 is not on the 'ladder'. > >1. Suspension. Generally those looking to progress from karting into >larger formulae are heavy on car control, racecraft and aggression and >light on car setup knowledge. Rubber pucks and 4 link suspensions have >very little application on the higher rungs on the racing ladder. And I >think the old Minardi cars used pivot torque for damping but they were >about the only ones. > >2. Solid Axle. Not too much more to say about this one except for the >fact that you don't see a whole lot of them in formula racing. > >3. Transmission. Many 'serious' racers think shifting makes a car faster >and is necessary to bond with the car. We know it's more of a barrier to >going fast but that's not the general opinion. Either way it is an >essential skill for racing in the higher formulas, if not at the highest >levels. Gearing is a very important aspect of car setup that F500 also >has little application to. Not too many other race cars on the planet >worry about clutch weights or what helix is in the secondary. > >4. Engine. 2 stroke. Not that that's bad or should be a downside but it >doesn't have much application at other levels. > >It's for these reasons I don't think we should present ourselves as a >ladder formula. There isn't much for a karter to learn that will apply >later on. I do think we should present ourselves as what we are, the >best mixture of speed, simplicity, reliability and cost. We'll get a lot >more response from more recreation oriented magazines like Grass Roots >motorsports. We can offer the purity of response of a formula car and >the speed of a FF for the price of an IT car. A decent FF engine costs >6-10k and a decent FC engine is about 12-14k complete. We cost 2k. And a >lot of the national FC crowd are sending their heads out between races >to be freshened. These are the major advantages of F500 and the reason >most of us are probably racing it. > >If we wanted to be part of the ladder we would probably need to address >changing some of the major aspects of the formula. Springs, shocks and >A/R bars would be a good start but that's probably another discussion. > >How about this for a slogan? "F500: A complete car that eats FFs for >less than the price of their engines"? > >CarbonX on. > >Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Palmer > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:52 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > > > > > > Marshall and list, > > > > I think the Karting rags idea is a very good one and agree that it >might > > be > > the best audience, or at least one of the best, for us to reach out >to. > > I've added it to my "project list" for next steps once we've nailed >down > > our > > "message", slogan, etc. . . . which is coming along slowly since I've >only > > received about three from the list. C'mon guys & gals, let's see your > > creativity . . . send me some slogans. I'll have a list out in about >a > > week > > for a vote. > > > > I also think Mr. Schultz's comments about "Not Waiting" for the F5 > > community > > on some of this stuff is spot-on! Kinda goes along with my "Just Do >It" > > motto . . . write some articles and send 'em out to ALL the rags we've > > mentioned in this thread (I have, but no "takers" yet)! Reach out to >the > > Karters in your area, talk to the other SCCAers who are struggling >with > > budget, do whatever it takes to further your own cause and that of our > > class! > > > > Obviously, we all don't have the experience, depth, contacts, >know-how, > > and > > drive of Schultz Racing. But we all have more than the Karters or >other > > interested parties who know next to nothing about our cars/class. If > > every > > one of us made it a goal to promote our class in at least one way over >the > > next year, I think we'd easily solve our problem and jump way up >Stan's > > list. > > > > Shiny Side Up, > > Joe Palmer > > TX Novakar #56 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > > > > > > > > > > GRM might reach a lot of potential racers, but I'd bet that the vast > > > majority of their readership is tin-top drivers who are doing Solo >II. > > They will > > > NOT understand the difference between SM and F500 at a relatively > > similar > > > apparent cost. (Note that I said 'apparent' - this is about > > perception, > > not > > > reality.) This might get a few guys to come out and kick tires, >but I > > wouldn't > > > bet the future of F500 on the GRM readers who have been reading > > articles > > > focused on semi-race-prepped Miatas, spitfires, RX7s, and BMWs. > > > > > > What about the karting mags? If you're interested in reaching young > > karters > > > looking for their next step, then you need to advertise in the > > publications > > > that they read. These seem to be fairly accessible, as well. > > > > > > Also, what about 'Road & Track' or 'AutoWeek'? Their readership is > > made > > up > > > of frustrated street car polishers and wannabes......seems like >fertile > > > ground to me. > > > > > > IMNSHO, growth of an entry-level class needs to come from people who >are > > > currently sitting on the couch or competing in 'lower formulae', >i.e. > > karts, not > > > those who are already SCCA competitors doing something different. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > MM > > > > > > In a message dated 7/24/2006 5:24:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > <> > > There's > > > a source of new blood! > > > > > > Gene near Seattle > > > > > > > > > On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Since our cars are snowmobiles on wheels, how about an ad with a > > picture > > > > of a guy fully suited on a snowmobile during the summer. Caption >the > > > > picture "What did you do this summer?". Below that, run a >picture of > > a > > > > F500 on the track captioned F500.ORG. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > F500 mailing list - [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > > > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > > > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! >*** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > F500 mailing list - [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** > >_______________________________________________ >F500 mailing list - [email protected] >To unsubscribe or change options please visit: >http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 >*** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** > >_______________________________________________ >F500 mailing list - [email protected] >To unsubscribe or change options please visit: >http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 >*** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** > > > >--------------------------------- >Talk is cheap. 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