From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Chuck, what do you want to do? Do you want to see the class suceed, or
make it a vintage class with a couple of old farts racing?
Chris R
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If F500 were turned into a training ground for young Lions then you guys
would hate the class and go somewhere wlse.
Chuck
>From: Chris Reinhardt
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts
>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I disagree, there's plenty of families that have spend good money
chasing
>a kart series, who could spend just as much doing F500. There's no TV
>coverage for any of the kart series that I know of, at least there is for
>the F500 at the run offs. OK dare I say it, there's probably the best TV
>coverage and PR for the buck would be......Spec Miata.
> Again, if we could establish a conduit from karting directly into F500,
>then you would lots of karter's coming in. Besides, in order to jump
start
>the class, you need young meat...
>
> Chris R.
>
>Jay Novak wrote:
> Steve, you have said it very well. F500 will never be a feeder class.
>The
>top karting guys with any $$$ jump to something that gets them PR.
>
>
>Thanks ... Jay Novak
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Steve
>K. Thompson
>Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:29 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts
>
>I'm probably going to get flamed like there's no tomorrow for this but,
>FWIW, I think the karting magazines may not be the best place for the
>majority of the advertising effort, although any effort is better than
>none. I think most serious karters, especially those looking to make
>money in racing which is pretty much most of them, would view F500 as a
>sidestep at best. F500 really does not offer a lot of value on the
>racing ladder. Which is not to say it is not the best bang for the buck
>competition-wise (if the fields were anywhere near the size they should
>be). Reasons why F500 is not on the 'ladder'.
>
>1. Suspension. Generally those looking to progress from karting into
>larger formulae are heavy on car control, racecraft and aggression and
>light on car setup knowledge. Rubber pucks and 4 link suspensions have
>very little application on the higher rungs on the racing ladder. And I
>think the old Minardi cars used pivot torque for damping but they were
>about the only ones.
>
>2. Solid Axle. Not too much more to say about this one except for the
>fact that you don't see a whole lot of them in formula racing.
>
>3. Transmission. Many 'serious' racers think shifting makes a car faster
>and is necessary to bond with the car. We know it's more of a barrier to
>going fast but that's not the general opinion. Either way it is an
>essential skill for racing in the higher formulas, if not at the highest
>levels. Gearing is a very important aspect of car setup that F500 also
>has little application to. Not too many other race cars on the planet
>worry about clutch weights or what helix is in the secondary.
>
>4. Engine. 2 stroke. Not that that's bad or should be a downside but it
>doesn't have much application at other levels.
>
>It's for these reasons I don't think we should present ourselves as a
>ladder formula. There isn't much for a karter to learn that will apply
>later on. I do think we should present ourselves as what we are, the
>best mixture of speed, simplicity, reliability and cost. We'll get a lot
>more response from more recreation oriented magazines like Grass Roots
>motorsports. We can offer the purity of response of a formula car and
>the speed of a FF for the price of an IT car. A decent FF engine costs
>6-10k and a decent FC engine is about 12-14k complete. We cost 2k. And a
>lot of the national FC crowd are sending their heads out between races
>to be freshened. These are the major advantages of F500 and the reason
>most of us are probably racing it.
>
>If we wanted to be part of the ladder we would probably need to address
>changing some of the major aspects of the formula. Springs, shocks and
>A/R bars would be a good start but that's probably another discussion.
>
>How about this for a slogan? "F500: A complete car that eats FFs for
>less than the price of their engines"?
>
>CarbonX on.
>
>Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Palmer
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:52 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts
> >
> >
> > Marshall and list,
> >
> > I think the Karting rags idea is a very good one and agree that it
>might
> > be
> > the best audience, or at least one of the best, for us to reach out
>to.
> > I've added it to my "project list" for next steps once we've nailed
>down
> > our
> > "message", slogan, etc. . . . which is coming along slowly since I've
>only
> > received about three from the list. C'mon guys & gals, let's see your
> > creativity . . . send me some slogans. I'll have a list out in about
>a
> > week
> > for a vote.
> >
> > I also think Mr. Schultz's comments about "Not Waiting" for the F5
> > community
> > on some of this stuff is spot-on! Kinda goes along with my "Just Do
>It"
> > motto . . . write some articles and send 'em out to ALL the rags we've
> > mentioned in this thread (I have, but no "takers" yet)! Reach out to
>the
> > Karters in your area, talk to the other SCCAers who are struggling
>with
> > budget, do whatever it takes to further your own cause and that of our
> > class!
> >
> > Obviously, we all don't have the experience, depth, contacts,
>know-how,
> > and
> > drive of Schultz Racing. But we all have more than the Karters or
>other
> > interested parties who know next to nothing about our cars/class. If
> > every
> > one of us made it a goal to promote our class in at least one way over
>the
> > next year, I think we'd easily solve our problem and jump way up
>Stan's
> > list.
> >
> > Shiny Side Up,
> > Joe Palmer
> > TX Novakar #56
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts
> >
> >
> > >
> > > GRM might reach a lot of potential racers, but I'd bet that the vast
> > > majority of their readership is tin-top drivers who are doing Solo
>II.
> > They will
> > > NOT understand the difference between SM and F500 at a relatively
> > similar
> > > apparent cost. (Note that I said 'apparent' - this is about
> > perception,
> > not
> > > reality.) This might get a few guys to come out and kick tires,
>but I
> > wouldn't
> > > bet the future of F500 on the GRM readers who have been reading
> > articles
> > > focused on semi-race-prepped Miatas, spitfires, RX7s, and BMWs.
> > >
> > > What about the karting mags? If you're interested in reaching young
> > karters
> > > looking for their next step, then you need to advertise in the
> > publications
> > > that they read. These seem to be fairly accessible, as well.
> > >
> > > Also, what about 'Road & Track' or 'AutoWeek'? Their readership is
> > made
> > up
> > > of frustrated street car polishers and wannabes......seems like
>fertile
> > > ground to me.
> > >
> > > IMNSHO, growth of an entry-level class needs to come from people who
>are
> > > currently sitting on the couch or competing in 'lower formulae',
>i.e.
> > karts, not
> > > those who are already SCCA competitors doing something different.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > MM
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/24/2006 5:24:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > > <> > > There's
> > > a source of new blood!
> > >
> > > Gene near Seattle
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since our cars are snowmobiles on wheels, how about an ad with a
> > picture
> > > > of a guy fully suited on a snowmobile during the summer. Caption
>the
> > > > picture "What did you do this summer?". Below that, run a
>picture of
> > a
> > > > F500 on the track captioned F500.ORG. >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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