Cory, there's no foundation that new cars will be built around new shocks, ask 
any of the builders, Jay for example on here, there isn't enough money/new 
driver's/interest in the class to design/build a new car.
   Here's a recent example, the Rakovan, do you think he wants to build a new 
car around a new shock to find out it will outlawed?
   We keep getting back to the fear of the unknown..
   
  CR

Cory McLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  HEY EVERYONE - read the post below again. It's from the same newbie who 
posted earlier today for advice on buying his first car. Heaven forbid - he 
wants to join our class JUST LIKE IT IS. 

What attracted him to our class is not a "vintage mentality", but I'm guessing 
it was at least partially due to the great bang for the buck. Were all the new 
trick exhausts, carb air boxes and clutch set-ups in Topeka 2 weeks ago 
"vintage"?

Will someone spend the money to design a car around new shocks - HELL YES! This 
is racing. Any opportunity that exists for someone to spend more money and go 
faster WILL BE TAKEN. One of the strengths of our class is that the 
opportunities and motivations to spend exponential sums of money are limited. 
Let's not mess this positive up with shocks or trannys.

Even if the shock is only $125, existing cars will have to be redesigned and 
new cars designed around the shocks will obsolete the older cars. The cost of 
being competitive will go up at a much higher rate than the current controlled 
evolution of the class. With all props to Q, it's a good thing that a highly 
evolved version of a 10+ year old design won the Runoffs again this year. Rules 
stability = more bang for the buck.

F500 is not an entry-level stepping stone class, and I don't want it to be. My 
opinion is not "vintage", it's realistic. This is a club racing class for guys 
that like to have as much fun as possible for a reasonable cost on a level 
playing field. We can keep this class going by getting our cars out (buying a 
new one in my case) and running them as much as possible, and promoting the 
class.

If the desire is out there for an entry-level stepping stone formula car class 
with bike motors, shocks, and trannys (aka - the $25k holy grail), by all means 
go start the class and let it become the next Spec Miata. If it kills F500 - so 
be it, that's survival of the fittest. Let's just not sacrifice F500 up front 
in search of that holy grail.

Cory

Christopher Eveland wrote:
On 10/24/06, Chris Reinhardt wrote:
> I think we already went through this but.... A inexpensive oil/spring shock 
> is about the same price or less that the current puck/shock assemble. And ANY 
> oil dampened shock would be better than none.

OK, I'm just a newbie here that doesn't even have an F500 yet, but
I'll throw in my $0.000002 just because this gets at _why_ I'm a
newbie here. I'm coming from stock class autox to F500/club racing,
and I have to say that the 2nd* most frustrating thing about running
stock class autox is the price of the shocks you need to be
competitive: about $3500. Thats why I co-drove at Nationals, rather
than take my own car.

If any shock rule is going to get proposed, they've _got_ to do better
than they have for the solo2 stock rules.

-Chris

* #1 most frustrating is that you need a new car every 2-3 years. :P



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