Both. ----- Original Message ---- From: Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:48:43 PM Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT!
Jim, Are we classifying the car or are we classifying the driver? Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Art, are you specifically asking us to all forget about Scott Nardin? Don't forget he WON solo nationals in 2004. He has won many national tours. We are near CM times and sometimes faster thean CM times. Now add, say 10hp. If 300cc doesn't get you that then...well, the world is a funny place. With better shock/spring combos, and limited slip differentials? You have made a CM killer if someone comes in and goes to the limits of these rules. Will Scott? I don't know. I don't really worry much about it anymore, but I still would like to be able to show up once in a while at an event. jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:47:32 AM Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Hi Bob, >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. Yes, that is correct. We have to try and update the Solo Vee and if you can point to the results that show the Solo Vees to be knocking at the door of the well prepared F500s at Nationals/Tours in the past 4 or 5 years, it must have been something we missed :-). Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of fmod Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. The changes that were mentioned are unreal. The ones who do do this are again remaking the SuperV. It will cost a lot of money and they still have swingarm rearends. I will make a guess that after a few years if a few build these cars they will be runing C-Mod times and will get moved to C-Mod. If that were to happen, we as F440 and F500 owners should remind the SCCA that our cars are GCR Legal formula cars and make F-Mod for F440/F500 cars period! Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was putting out 125hp, I don't see why a 1900cc dual port VW engine can't produce 140hp and I would bet that 60% or more of its power will come in at about 2500 to 3000 rpm's! I guess I am sure glad I am cutting back on Solo II for a while and riding my new Suzuki! BobbyJ F-Mod NER SCCA 25 year member! ----- Original Message ----- From: "GaryK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > The real question is... > > Who is going to makes these changes, updates, to their Solo Vee's? Not > everyone, just a few I believe. > > Remember, these changes are not legal for this year, but could be for next > year as they are looking for member comment on them right now. > > And I agree with Art, there is no reason they can't join the 21st century. > > Gary > > > At 07:41 AM 2/22/2007, Art wrote: >> >What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? >> >>Obviously John, much differently then you :-). >> >>But seriously, everything that we have recommended, other then the >>engine options, will not improve their performance potential to any great degree. >>It may help them somewhat but it was done for other reasons and >>basically to bring their cars into the 21st century. You can't have >>parity between any >>two or more cars if there is an antique in the mix. >> >>Improvements along the lines of Formula First rules, gives them options >>for >>easier and better maintenance of their cars. And sometimes when they make >>their choices, there is a trade off in increased weight for them to >>ponder. >> >>Quite frankly John, WE already have those things or capabilities on >>our cars. Why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't they be able to ditch >>their "1938 design" components and bring them into our world? >> >>As far as the engine options, I think you need to do some VW engine >>research >>prior to panicking. A "torquey 140 HP" engine? We don't think so and all >>the >>information we have found or people we have talked to, would not >>support that figure. >> >>Reread the proposal again. There will be two engine improvement options >>and >>there will be no intermixing of parts of those individual options. They >>can >>choose only one. If they choose the "big bore" kit avenue, they will not >>be >>able to do anything with their carburetion or valve sizes. They will only >>be >>allowed to have the overbore. They still will be restricted to their >>current >>single two barrel carb and valve size. That's a big restriction. >> >>If they choose the other option, they will be able to go with unrestricted >>carburetion, an increase in valve size, plus a weight reduction of 25#. >>That's really going to make them a killer car.......not! >> >>When was the last time any Solo Vee came really close to a F500 at >>Nationals >>or Tours? Look at the results for the past five or so years. Our job is to >>improve that possibility. >> >>They are in the same class as us and the MAC is responsible for >>keeping things as level as humanly possible for all cars. We feel that >>what we have offered will do that. I'm sure you are all for >>competition, right John? >> >>Yes, everyone should read the proposal and then....... think about things >>and talk to people who know VW engines or FVs before they rush to judgment >>:-). >> >>Art >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>John Whitling >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:40 AM >>To: F 500 mailing list >>Subject: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >> >>Well, the SCCA has reviewed the situation with Formula/Solo Vees in FMod >>and >>they are giving the Vee guys much more than I believe they should be >>considering. Up to 1900 cc, limited slips, disc brakes, reduced weight, >>ball >>joint adjustable camber front ends and more. I suggest that we all >>carefully >>read the March Fasttrack for more .. it starts on about page 44. >> >>Anyone that knows me knows I'm all in favor of giving the Vees some >>incentives, however after looking over the rules changes I can see where >>the >>Solo Vees would be able to handily beat even the Formula Fords. >>Imagine unlimited tires and wheels (they already have that), a tourquey >>140 >>hp motor (just my guess on 1900 cc motor output), limited slips, and over >>100 lbs lighter than a FF. We really need to evaluate whether these >>changes >>are acceptable to us. >> >>What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >>of _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
