John, That setup uses steel rotors. Check out D.3.5 which requires cast iron rotors.
Glad you have studied the proposal..... Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Whitling Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Art The existing drums and backing plates are over 17 lbs a corner right now. Go to this link and you'll see a hub, disc, caliper assy that weighs 9 lbs. http://www.cncbrakes.com/cncbrakes.com-asp//dbk.asp?grp=dbk&subgrp=r&series= 645&subseries Glad to see you guys have thoroughly looked into the consequences .. Art wrote: >John, > >Chuck and I are not berating you, we are just challenging your posts >concerning outlandish claims of 145 HP Solo Vees and now, the added >claim of a 30# rotating unsprung weight savings if they go to discs. >John, you really need to check your facts. Discs will add weight, not >reduce it. VW drums are very small and light. Any VW vendor can supply >that information as can any VW engine builder supply the needed >information on engine performance with the mods we have suggested. If >you want that information, we feel it best that you do your own >research because it is obvious that you don't/won't believe anything we tell you anyway. > >So John, we are comfortable with the information we have gathered but >the only way you will be comfortable is to check it out yourself :-). > > > >>You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this. >> >> > >What, you want us to ignore outlandish bogus information based upon, I >can only guess, emotion and not facts? :-) I don't think so. > >Art > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >John Whitling >Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:17 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >Dave >Scott did not have a co driver in 06, or any other year. In addition, >in >06 he tried a radical front tire on the first day, so his first day >times weren't very good. I was pitted right beside him and witnessed it >all. And his second day nats times were pretty good. He was also the >fastest FM car in the test day before nats with his usual tire setup, >and if you know Scott, you know that he reminded us all of that all >week. BTW, the top four cars in the class were two driver cars. It >made a huge difference. I guess solo has now become a "team" sport. > >This whole idea of engine changes and limited slips being allowed is >just stupid, IMO. I'm sure Art and Chuck will claim otherwise and beret >me like they have anyone who has posted against these rules have, but >do a simple comparison between existing FF (C mod) rules of 110 hp, no >limited slip, 1100 lbs weight, narrow narrow wheels and cantilevered >tires to those of the new Solo Vee and you get at least 130 hp, limited >slip, weight of 975, and unlimited wheels and tires. It just makes no >sense. Much less so the comparison of the 500 cars with go cart axles >and not even shocks or springs. > >I agree with all the chassis stuff for the Vees. That's where the >concentration should be to equalize the field. Just the disc brakes are >going to take 30 lbs of rotating unsprung weight out of the cars and >make them much more neutral handling because they can now balance >corner entry with brakes like we do ... add to that the cambered front >ends and you have significant improvements. Also I agree about the Formula First chassis. >After all it's in the chassis where the two cars are far apart, not motors. >The Vees have never been out powered by the 500s. > >It looks like the SEB/MAC just gave all the Vee guys anything that any >one of them asked for. If the SEB/MAC feels that these are good rules >maybe they should share the info they used to base all these changes on >rather than require us to hustle out to Vee engine builders, etc and >start from square one all over again. Instead all we get is a bunch of >crap from them about how we should go do research now and fight these >changes with a letter writing campaign. You would think they wouldn't be so defensive about this. >Certainly Stan didn't treat the road racers that way last year. > >Dave Phaneuf wrote: > > > >>Did Scott have a co-driver in 2006? >>I heard you were screwed without one. >>Maybe tire warming blankets should be >>legal? >>Dave Phaneuf >> >> > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a >name of [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
