Chuck, maybe you didn't read my whole post???? West Racing has a IMSA Lites car, the engine/chassis are homologated, they run a wet sump system, call them, talk to them, read the website, whatever. Do me a favor, contiue this debate on the eformula site... CR
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris, I know that Stohr will sell a car without a drysump, but Lee knows that some customers are either cheap or slow enough to live with that. However, I also know that that Gendron had noticeable problems with motor life in his Small fortune DSR until he got the drysump working. (same motor as Stohr) Before that, Soter Slomski had engine life problems with his Legrand Mk18 DSR until he developed his drysump....and that wasn't even a modern high downforce DSR. Ken Kapowitz used to blow up about one Bike motor every 4 months in his LeGrand Mk18 DSR. Chuck >From: Chris Reinhardt >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [F500] Oil pans & pumps >Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) > > Chuck, the West Racing DSR, formely the Stohr, uses "EITHER" their >wetsump system or a drysump at the customers request. In the West Racing >IMSA Lites car, the homologated engine (ZX1000r) uses a wet sump. > Do your homework..... > > CR > >Chuck Voboril wrote: > There is a reason for drysumps in state of the art DSR's. >The fast drivers tried to get away with deep pans and baffles and found >through bitter experience that they couldn't. >End of story. > >Beasley,Stohr, Small fortune,etc all include drysumps. > >Now, that doesn't necessarily carry over to F500 with >the lower cornering forces in this class :-> > > > >Chuck > > > > > > >From: "Steven Dodd" > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [F500] Oil pans & pumps > >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:38:56 -0500 > > > >No Chris, drysumps aren't necessarily evil, just EXPENSIVE. You are >correct > >sir, there are several deep pans for roadracing but that doesn't mean >they > >work. Lots of stuff sold via info-mercials proves product don't need to > >be effective to be sold. You missed "the point" of what I was saying. Its > >all about price and feasability. If you have to order a pan, then take > >the bike motor to your local shop have a "roadrace" pan installed you >have > >started down an expensive path. Again, If you have to order a high volume > >pump for your new snazzy pan or an entire dry sump system, you're then at > >or above the cost of one our current engines. That was my point. And yes, > >we can move on......but its easier to move with an engine that has oil. > > > > > >Chris wrote: > >Steve, others again, there are several purpose built non drysump pans out > >there > >for motorcycle auto road racing applications.... Drysumps are not > >nessicary > >evil. > > Can we move on??? > > > >CR > > > >Steven Dodd wrote: > > Gentlemen, The oil pan debate (stock vs deep vs pressurised/accusump) is > >a > >perfect example of the crazy path that some are venturing down. Jay just > >heralded in favor of a "deep oil pan" to keep it "cheap" . C'mon, wake up > >this is a great example of immediate departure from stock bike motors and > >thus, bigger dollars. And, to Chris R, our cars are not micro sprints. We > >turn left, right and brake. We cant just go with a deep pan and call > >everything good. Most GT cars run pressurised systems because of the >danger > >of starvation. You think we pull less cornering forces than they do? > >If you don't see the dangers of this soon becoming a high dollar class >READ > >your GCR . Now moncoques are allowed. Bike engines maybe next. I bet Lee > >Stohr can build you a heck of a monocoque bike motor car if you pony up >the > >necessary bucks. I bet Jay would too. > >Be thankful that your current cars are faster and lighter than anything > >else > >under 35k new. Go have some fun. > >Steven Dodd > >Texas > > > >--------------------------------- >Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. >Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
