John,

First of all, I don't hit cones :-). Second, grumpy?, that's why I live near
Disney so I can get to work easier :-). Third, I just stated that it was a
commercial enterprise that is tied into his magazine and did not pass any
judgment about that. Whether Rob makes enough money to buy a six pack or two
is none of my business, nor should it be. Fourth, I like that forum, I just
don't believe that people on this list should be cajoled into using it if
they would rather not.  Fifth, ....ahhhh , never mind!  

Art

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Whitling
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants

Gee Art, who stuck a pole up your butt? I don't believe there's any way that
Rob makes any money from the forum, and who cares if he did. You're sounding
grumpier all the time .. get out and kick some cones guy.

Art wrote:

>Hey Ed, I appreciate your love of the eformularcars forum, but quite 
>frankly, that's your choice.
>
>If you do not like receiving emails from this list, then unsubscribe. 
>Don't become offensive to people that still appreciate this list and 
>the work that Eric has done for years to support a group of people 
>that, again quite frankly, have more time here the you.
>
>The forum is nice but it is a commercial venture that Rob uses to make 
>money from. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, that's fine. He 
>provides a service that some of us wish to use,........and others do 
>not. I don't think you have any call to tell people to use either based
upon your own prejudices.
>Both venues are out there for use and that is how I hope it shall remain.
>
>Eric has been our source of communication for years without cost to us 
>and I'm sure, at a very real cost to him in time and money. I, for one, 
>do not like to see others try to hijack the F500 group to other 
>communication venues but certainly, where people go to read or 
>communicate is their individual choice.
>
>Please take note of phrase "individual choice" Ed.
>
>Art
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>edward capullo
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:15 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants
>
>Why are we back to the Emails again---this should all be hashed out on 
>the forum.
>USE THE FORUM and stop sending emails
>Ed C.
>
>
>  
>
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [F500] Participation &  who are the Participants
>>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I think his opinion was focused largely on a member here who has no F5 
>>starts, or at least none that are published anywhere.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Lee Tilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [email protected]
>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:22:11 AM
>>Subject: [F500] Participation &  who are the Participants
>>
>>Bob, thanks for stating what I feel as well but couldn't articulate 
>>due to the red mist after reading Mr. Dodd's post.
>>
>>As I stated over on the forum, although I am a "lowly F5 solo driver" 
>>I am the first one to extoll the virtues of taking a F5 car on the track.
>>As you said Bob, some of us have to live with solo. Would I like to 
>>road race? Sure, but now I am having fun learning what I have until I 
>>can make that leap to a high end F5 car. In that light, I have a very 
>>vested interest in where this sport goes.
>>
>>Mr. Dodd's "holier that thou" attitude is what is wrong with formula 
>>car racing as a whole.
>>
>>Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Steven, many of us who just Solo 2 are cars have just as much right to 
>>speak up.  Many of us have as much or more invested than some of the 
>>average people just Road Race.  Also many of us are Regional and 
>>National Solo 2 drivers.  It cost us just as much to tow to Kansas and 
>>other places to run in the National Tour events.  When we have a 
>>problem with our cars at an event we do not have much time to fix it 
>>before we need to run again.
>>
>>Many of us have reasons why we do not road race, not that we don't 
>>want to, but like myself cannot afford the extra cost.  Plus some of 
>>us have health issues that could prevent us from getting a license.
>>
>>So what happens to this class has an effect on all of us who compete 
>>in F440/F500 cars.
>>
>>Bob Jordan
>>#5 Fmod NER SCCA
>>25 year member
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steven Dodd" <stevendodd928 at hotmail.com 
>><http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500>>
>>To: <f500 at f500.org <http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500>>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:29 PM
>>Subject: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>/ Chris and many others,
>>>      
>>>
>>/>/ To Quote John Ulrich "Racers Race"....  Mind you, you sir don't 
>>currently />/ race in F5.  Many of you are not  currently entitled to 
>>voicing any />/ opinion on how to grow a field until you "field" a car 
>>of your own.
>>Stop
>>/>/ with the M/C pwr and shocks until you actually compete with that 
>>thing on />/ the track sir. -Yet to occur, per all your peers.  How 
>>many of the  F5 />/ dissenters have a current SCCA licencse?
>>/>/ If Q leaves it's huge!  Art races right? ART therefore gets a 
>>Major />/ opinion.
>>/>/ You're developing for Q?   Have a BA & P.E. to go with that F5
National
>>/>/ Racing license?-Didn't think so. Both would be a good idea before 
>>you />/ voice an opinion to be taken seriously.
>>/>/ Yes I know both you & Novak offer to design probono for others, 
>>but I />/ don't think Hanley, Q and others would be any more 
>>interested than Panoz />/ would be in Chevy designing LMP suspensions 
>>for them. Nothing's for free.
>>/>/ And I bet they would get exactly what they paid for.
>>/>/ How 'bout we limit opinions to those who actually race cars 
>>somewhere />/ other than on the bench.
>>/>/ And wasn't Jay leaving to design DSR-See SR board on EZboards...He 
>>only />/ was waiting to sell his last two F5s..........
>>/>/ Just a thought from someone who sunk 25k over the past 18 months 
>>into />/ racing F5s. --And who considers it money well spent.
>>/>/ Put your money and car on the track and others will take your 
>>seriously.
>>/>/ Come race with us!!!!
>>/>/ Steven Dodd
>>/>/ Texas/

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