Hmmmm, sounds kinda like the engine debate.... CR Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rob,
Lets reread my post and what you have just written. Your magazine is a commercial venture. Your forum is tied to that magazine and although the forum may not make you money independently now, it does help you sell and attract advertisements which you use to market the forum and your magazine based upon the number of "hits" you get. You are supporting the 500 community but you are also a business man Rob and that's not a bad thing, so I wouldn't be so defensive. I only said that you are a commercial entity compared to the f500 email list and a commercial entity is, hopefully, trying to generate money. I wouldn't think that was a secret. I know you support the F500 community and I encourage and appreciate that. But so does Eric with the email list and I think he has been at it for a bit longer then you have. That's not meant to be negative, just a statement of information. I have visited your forum, became a member long before it became the thing to do in the last month. So I appreciate your efforts. But that doesn't mean I will abandon the F500 list as some would like us to do. I have a certain loyalty to Eric and his list and until Eric decides he no longer wishes to offer that list, I will use it to communicate with other F500 folks that wish to participate in it. My beef, if you want to call it that, is not with you but with those who are ready to completely abandon a tool that we have used for years and are, by their more forceful comments, trying to be critical of those still wishing and willing to use the email list for their communication. I would hope that you are not trying to do the same. Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Howden Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants Hi Art, Just a quick bit on honesty here. We're not making any money at EFCN, but we hope to one day. The good thing is that we're a real business that spends money providing coverage to F500, attending races and providing print and online coverage. We give back, and that's the key. What I'm hoping to see the F500 community do is PARTNER with a media company that supports it. We've published more F500 coverage EVERY other magazine and website in the world combined. However, we need the F500 family to support us to make it work. Right now, Mike Quandrini's $75 classified for QRE as is the extent of it. So let's not talk about me making money from F500. F500 needs exposure outside its community to grow and we're here to help. If you guys support our forums, it will help us grow as well. If we grow, we can do more for F500, like supporting the FCM Challenge Cup race that Jim Schultz is organizing. Take care, Rob Howden Publisher / Editor-in-Chief - eKartingNews.com - eKartingNews.ca - eFormulaCarNews.com - FormulaCar Magazine Ph: 519-624-2003 Fax: 519-624-0053 P.O. Box 580 Cambridge, Ontario Canada N1R 5W1 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants Hey Ed, I appreciate your love of the eformularcars forum, but quite frankly, that's your choice. If you do not like receiving emails from this list, then unsubscribe. Don't become offensive to people that still appreciate this list and the work that Eric has done for years to support a group of people that, again quite frankly, have more time here the you. The forum is nice but it is a commercial venture that Rob uses to make money from. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, that's fine. He provides a service that some of us wish to use,........and others do not. I don't think you have any call to tell people to use either based upon your own prejudices. Both venues are out there for use and that is how I hope it shall remain. Eric has been our source of communication for years without cost to us and I'm sure, at a very real cost to him in time and money. I, for one, do not like to see others try to hijack the F500 group to other communication venues but certainly, where people go to read or communicate is their individual choice. Please take note of phrase "individual choice" Ed. Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of edward capullo Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants Why are we back to the Emails again---this should all be hashed out on the forum. USE THE FORUM and stop sending emails Ed C. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:13:19 -0700 (PDT) > >I think his opinion was focused largely on a member here who has no F5 >starts, or at least none that are published anywhere. > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Lee Tilton >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:22:11 AM >Subject: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants > >Bob, thanks for stating what I feel as well but couldn't articulate due >to the red mist after reading Mr. Dodd's post. > >As I stated over on the forum, although I am a "lowly F5 solo driver" I >am the first one to extoll the virtues of taking a F5 car on the track. >As you said Bob, some of us have to live with solo. Would I like to road >race? Sure, but now I am having fun learning what I have until I can >make that leap to a high end F5 car. In that light, I have a very vested >interest in where this sport goes. > >Mr. Dodd's "holier that thou" attitude is what is wrong with formula car >racing as a whole. > >Lee > > > > > >Steven, many of us who just Solo 2 are cars have just as much right to >speak up. Many of us have as much or more invested than some of the >average people just Road Race. Also many of us are Regional and >National Solo 2 >drivers. It cost us just as much to tow to Kansas and other places to run >in the National Tour events. When we have a problem with our cars at an >event we do not have much time to fix it before we need to run again. > >Many of us have reasons why we do not road race, not that we don't want to, >but like myself cannot afford the extra cost. Plus some of us have health >issues that could prevent us from getting a license. > >So what happens to this class has an effect on all of us who compete in >F440/F500 cars. > >Bob Jordan >#5 Fmod NER SCCA >25 year member > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Dodd" >> >To: > >Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:29 PM >Subject: [F500] Participation & who are the Participants > > > >/ Chris and many others, >/>/ To Quote John Ulrich "Racers Race".... Mind you, you sir don't >currently />/ race in F5. Many of you are not currently entitled to >voicing any />/ opinion on how to grow a field until you "field" a car >of your own. >Stop >/>/ with the M/C pwr and shocks until you actually compete with that thing >on >/>/ the track sir. -Yet to occur, per all your peers. How many of the F5 >/>/ dissenters have a current SCCA licencse? >/>/ If Q leaves it's huge! Art races right? ART therefore gets a Major >/>/ opinion. >/>/ You're developing for Q? Have a BA & P.E. to go with that F5 National >/>/ Racing license?-Didn't think so. Both would be a good idea before you >/>/ voice an opinion to be taken seriously. >/>/ Yes I know both you & Novak offer to design probono for others, but I >/>/ don't think Hanley, Q and others would be any more interested than >Panoz />/ would be in Chevy designing LMP suspensions for them. >Nothing's for >free. >/>/ And I bet they would get exactly what they paid for. >/>/ How 'bout we limit opinions to those who actually race cars somewhere >/>/ other than on the bench. >/>/ And wasn't Jay leaving to design DSR-See SR board on EZboards...He only >/>/ was waiting to sell his last two F5s.......... >/>/ Just a thought from someone who sunk 25k over the past 18 months into >/>/ racing F5s. --And who considers it money well spent. >/>/ Put your money and car on the track and others will take your >seriously. >/>/ Come race with us!!!! >/>/ Steven Dodd >/>/ Texas/ --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. 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