I wanted to but could not find one (new engine) 2 years ago when i started instead bought a rave not knowing the difference how many new people have done this Rory -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 9:15 AM Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing
The used engine deals on the Internet are a data point for good used GSXR600 engine packages. and I have one price for a used 600cc Suzuki EFI 2-stroke sled motor complete to run at $1000 from the Artic Cat salvage yard. I don't reckon most F1000 or F600 guys that road race or solo will be buying new from the factory either. Chuck >From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:00:20 -0400 > >I have tried mightily with every single manufacturer to get an engine deal >done but there is ZERO interest. If it was not for Tony Murphy we would >have had no motors ever. The latest 600cc 2 strokes all make 125 hp. > >Thanks ... Jay Novak > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >Chuck Voboril >Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:17 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing > > >Jay, my real questioin is why not pursue Japanese 2-strokes like the >Suzuki/Artic Cat? > >Same mfg as your GSXR600. > >I think that Austria might be the problem, not so much the stroke or >production numbers. > >John at Northern says the late model salvage yard 600cc FI motors go for >about $1000. each. Harness, ECU etc. included. > > >Chuck > > > > > > >From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing > >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:59:47 -0400 > > > >I agree Chuck, a 2 stroke should be WAY LESS MONEY than the more > >mechanically complex 4 strokes. The question is why aren't they? The > >latest 493 Rotax was being sold for about $3300 & you did not get carbs, > >exhaust, clutches, nothing but the basic engine. This is the real reason > >people were not happy with the 493 in my opinion. Rotax upped the price > >because we were a captive market with no other choice. > > > >Thanks ... Jay Novak > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > >Chuck Voboril > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:44 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing > > > > > >Jay, there is definitely ecomony to be had with the mass production and > >poularity of the Japanese motors. > > > >But perhaps that just points out fact that the class probably should have > >looked at Japanese rather than Austrian 2-strokes in recent years. > > > >The latest japanese 600cc snowmobile motors are popular also and much >more > >simple than a 4-stroke to rebuild. > > > >Why shouldn't a Suzuki snowmobile engine be even cheaper than a Suzuki MC > >motor to buy and maintain? They may not make as many of them-but they >sure > >have a ton less moving parts to assemble and adjust. > > > >Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing > > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:21:21 -0400 > > > > > >Chuck, I know you are opposed to this direction. I have also been > > >concerned > > >about costs but I am now convinced that there are multiple sources for > > >engines & rebuilds that are very much in line with the numbers I have > > >posted. I have found multiple sources that will do complete 600cc > >rebuilds > > >with all new pistons, rings, bearings & valves for $1500. This is > > >extremely > > >reasonable IMHO. > > > > > >Additionally there are multiple mini sprint santioning bodies that have > > >bone > > >stock classes & they do not seem to have problems keeping things legal. > > >F1000 has a stock engine rule. I have spoken to George Dean who is one > >of > > >the most respected engine tuners in the business & he says that if you > >use > > >the stock ECU & aftermarket exhaust you can get an additional 5 hp on >the > > >1000 & about 3 hp on the 600 engines. Much more hp is available with > > >significant engine modifications and aftermarket ECUs. These will not >be > > >legal if the 600cc engines are ever approved. > > > > > >I suggest that you let this play out to see what happens. > > > > > >Thanks ... Jay Novak > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > >Chuck Voboril > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:45 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: [F500] Apples to Apples Pricing > > > > > > > > >The prices that we have so far for GSXR600's do NOT appear to be >factory > >or > > >factory dealer list prices. > > > > > >Those are salvage yard prices. See Jay's post on the Eformula site. > > > > > >If we want to play that game, the price on a low mileage Suzuki 600 > > >2-stroke > > >with EFI and ECU is a in the $1000 category. I checked this AM with a > > >dealer in Thief River Falls where the factory salvage yard is. > > > > > > > > >Rebuild prices have not been compared properly yet either. > > > > > >2-stroke rebuild parts have to be cheaper then MC parts since the > >2-strokes > > >mainly only need 2 sets of rings and 2 pistons/pins, not 4 ring sets >and > > >piston/pins+ 20 valves and valve seats plus cam parts and many more >seals > > >and bearings. 4 throw crank and 4 rods isn't cheap either if you need >go > > >that far. > > > > > >Freshening up a 20 valve MC motor has to always include doing 20 valves > >and > > >seats also. Then setting valve lash on all valves and retiming both >cams. > >+ > > >new timing chain/belt. > > > > > >Chuck > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/752 - Release Date: >4/8/2007 > > >8:34 PM > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/752 - Release Date: >4/8/2007 > > >8:34 PM > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 4/11/2007 > >5:14 PM > > > >-- > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 4/11/2007 > >5:14 PM > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 4/11/2007 >5:14 PM > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 4/11/2007 >5:14 PM ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
