Hi Tom: On Mar 19, 2005, at 9:47 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
> Vaj responds > As I pointed out here before: if you look at the authentic levitation > practices which have lineages still in place, you can get an idea of > what's missing. It's quite a lot. True levitation practice can take > you right to the rainbow body. That's never going to happen unless the > rumors of Purushites going off to learn darkness practice are > true--and then only for the few. > > Tom T: > The true reason for the sutras was to wake you up. The levitation gig > was to give the ego a reason to continue the practice long enough to > finish the wake up process, which was built into the practice.( see my > prior post of about a year ago on the "Stealth Sutra" #52 in Alistair > Shearer translation). I understand what you are saying. It would be helpful to know the number of the post to specifically comment on that one. Understand though, that samkhya and the yoga-sutras--and "awakening" a la the yoga-sutra is a dualistic awakening. That is, it deals with CC/turiyatita. That's not to say jumping into any other state couldn't happen, of course anything is *possible*. It's just that the intent of the yoga-sutra, of which the TM-Sidhi program represents a watered down version, is to provide a samkhya-style realization: turiyatita. In effect you are saying MMY has distorted the tradition to fool us using our ahamkara/egos as "carrots"? > Vaj continues: > IMO and IME what many of us do is mistake gaining greater certainty of > the View, great experiences of what enlightenment is for the end > product. "Gaining certainty of the View" is very important, but it is > not final realization. It's kinda like realizing that despite day or > night or clouds, the sun is always shining. The sad part for those of > us who make that error is we collect karma on real subtle levels and > block complete and final realization. > > Tom T: > Enlightenment is not an experience it is an understanding that comes > when the intellect makes the final discrimination. The understanding > does not happen in any mind. Self knows Self. The knowing of Self is > so strong as to leave no doubt about what has transpired. That > knowing imprints on the small self what is known to be beyond the > ability of any mind to know. It is the expression of the lively > absolute playing out in a physiology. Brahmin looks out through these > eyes, talks through this mouth and animates this body. The cosmic > Self comes to the forefront and the small self is content to run the > relative life. Nothing in your life changes and yet everything is > your changes. It is the ultimate Paradox, which is the clue as to the > profundity of what has just transpired. A "View"--your inner darshana, your POV shouldn't be thought of as a meditational experience. It is your new horizon, your new world, your cosmos and cosmology. It sounds to me as if you are describing CC, not BC/UC. While I do know that there is a state without need of verification, what my teacher has explained is that you gain some certainty of what the darshana of unity is by an introduction into that state. Once you "get" it there is a further process that goes on until you reach the "base" (of reality). It seems to me, I am guessing, this is latest fashion as forms of neo-advaita become more widespread. People hear descriptions and slowly convince themselves. Perhaps I'm wrong, maybe there are living Buddhas living in Fairfield. But I have seen this before, this is not new to me, people claiming CC, GC or UC/BC or beyond. I've "been around". Again I think what you are describing is having gained certainty as to the View, not ultimate realization. > Wondering what qualifies in your book as a Master. Someone in Unity, someone who has overthrown duality and someone with profound experience of what that means. It would be not unusual to see such a person have objects materialize (a la Guru Dev), knowledge of other worlds, etc. as part of that state. They will often have accessed the texts behind these states as a living experience. It is not unusual for them to understand the languages of other beings. Siddhis are no longer separate but part of the functioning of such people. So it was not unusual for one of my teachers to leave footprints in stone casually or pass his hand through an object, etc. Once you have overthrown duality, things like this can occur naturally. While everyone is different it is not unusual for them to be able to explain in intimate details the other worlds that lie parallel to this one. One key experience I have noticed, is that if you approach someone in Unity with many questions, even though you do not get to physically ask that person the questions you have burning in your heart, you leave with all your questions answered! Eventually an abstract quality begins to develop, where you see yourself in this persons mandala. This is very hard to describe. Eventually your own mandala unfolds as a unitary experience. It's not usual to look at other people and spontaneously see them as divinities. That's what being around someone in Unity does to you. Read the stories of the Mahasiddhas, they are filled with first-hand accounts. Chances are though, if you are an orthodox TM person, you consider these texts "forbidden". The View of Unity is also demonstrated by the Vedanta sutras of Badarayana, these are "movement approved" <g>. You feel these people you mention are in this state? Have they demonstrated any extraordinary capacities? Do your questions evaporate if you enter the state with them? Best, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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