--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 5:37 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > when Sankara says that the liberated jiva does not have authority over > > creation, he is referring to the jivanmukta, who although a liberated > > jiva, has not yet attained videha mukti, the final end of liberation. > > According to Sankara, the jiva who has attained videha mukti is jiva > > no more. It is Brahman in all respects, in which, according to > > Sankara, there is no possibility of any differentiation whatsoever. > > jivanmukta = CC ; videha mukti = UC / BC
I was wondering if you can shed light on an issue that has intrigued me for some time. My understanding for some time is that a jivanmukta (JM) is released from the cycle of birth and death IN THE PHYSYCAL realm, that is the sanskara in chitta related to physical desire and physical karma have been roasted, nuetered or "healed/resolved" (choose your favorite phrase or analogy, I prefer the third). However, there still exist more subtle sanskara that correspond to various lokas, generalized as astral and causal planes, that are worked through via cycles of birth and death in those realms -- until ultimate liberation is achieved -- videha mukti (VM). Or on earth VM can be achieved, giving full release from all cycles of birth and death. Does that model correspond to you understanding? If not, please clarify. Related is the question if VM has blossomed, and thus the FULL release of cycle of birth and death has blossomed, then there still is a choice or at least different paths followed by such non-entity luminaries: "they" (which is a funny concept at that stage), can be found to go back into rebirth in physical realm or any loka -- or "they" may just BE -- as Brahman. It is almost a meaningless question since what is the "they" when no individuality is there. So "they" refers to some faint remains of lashavidya, some collection of desireless abilities, that either by "choice" -- whatever that means at that stage, or "assignment" (another not well fitting concept), the VM takes rebirth. Or Not. Clarifications? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
