--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Well thank god Peter that you have nothing of > substance to add and > dwell on tiertiary allusions of humor. K > > > So the point still holds: if one talks about > something > from a basis of experience to a person who has an > experiential basis > to understand it, the conversation is meaningful to > both. Absolutely. Never said anything different. > > It is the height of arrogance and manifest ego to > claim the ability to > diagnose anothers expereince from afar, judge it > inferior, and > proclaim only an elite can possible understand what > you the apparent > brahmin priest proclaims. Well, I obviously don't see myself as doing this, but I can certainly understand why you see me doing this. I don't judge anyone's experience as inferior or superior. However, when someone starts talking about experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had such experiences, if they are speaking out of conceptual belief or direct experince. I know this sounds arrogant and elitist, but it is not. Until a person has experiences of a certain nature they can't speak about higher states of consciousness with any authority. It's just speculation based on conceptual models firmly rooted in waking state. This bugs you. I can understand that it would. I'm not going to stop doing it, nor are you going to stop complaining about me doing it! So it doesn't really matter what we say to one another. If someone talks about something that they have no experience in I'm going to tell them, hopefully relatively politely, that they don't know what they are talking about. Of course they'll take offense at this, but it still doesn't change the obvious fact that they don't know what they are talking about. There are several people in this newsgroup that know exactly what they are talking about in both relative and absolute domains and it is a delight to read what they have to say. I learn quite abit from them. I just don't suffer fools, that's all. Especially when it comes to Knowledge. -Peter > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:/ > > I'm not the hall monitor. You have cast me in that > > role. It is a reflection of a need you have to > relate > > to me this way. But you'll never acknowledge that > in > > the slightest. > > -Peter > > > hahaha. Do you often have such delusions of > importance and power? > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The celebration began a long time ago, > unbeknownst > > > to some beefed-up > > > arrogant bouncers patrolling the rope line -- as > > > people walk, happily > > > and laughing -- through the open back door. > > > > > > How many have had an experience of "no-doer"? > Wow. > > > Almost everyone. > > > (Peter faints --- the shock of it all. ) > > > > > > How many have had an experience during their > first > > > year of TM? > > > Wow!! Almost everyone. > > > > > > How many, in the first few years of TM heard or > read > > > MMY talking about > > > this and it made experiential sense? > > > Holy Cow!! Almost everyone. Who would have > known???? > > > > > > > > > How many have had an eperience where the world > > > appears to be whole and > > > still, even while it all contines to move and > flow? > > > OH MY GOD!!!! Not everyone -- but so many > people! > > > > > > But Peter, if you really want to be the hall > monitor > > > and pass out hall > > > passess so people can refer to multiple > experiential > > > realities without > > > getting a detention -- and that actually makes > you > > > happy -- then go > > > for it. Or don't. Whatever. > > > > > > The point still holds: if one talks about > something > > > from a basis of > > > experience to a person who has an experiential > basis > > > to understand it, > > > the conversation is meaningful to all -- except > to > > > the most arrogant > > > of elitist eavesdroppers. Which I am sure you > are > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Don't start the celebrations too early. The > point > > > > still holds: if you talk about something with > no > > > > experiential context, the conversation is > > > meaningless > > > > beyond entertainment. > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world > won't > > > be > > > > > burdened anymore > > > > > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas > when > > > there > > > > > are references to > > > > > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding > > > about > > > > > soemthing. Its a > > > > > great day of celebration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:. > > > > > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel > much > > > > > better. > > > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be a bit more specific Peter, your > dharma > > > cop > > > > > > > role assumes most > > > > > > > people are fools. It assumes all people > are > > > like > > > > > > > woody allen's satire > > > > > > > / characture of himself as a kid in > Annie > > > Hall. > > > > > As > > > > > > > you remember, the > > > > > > > young 10 year old is brought to the > > > psychiatrist > > > > > by > > > > > > > his mother because > > > > > > > Alvie won't do anything other than stare > at > > > > > walls. > > > > > > > Alvie explains his > > > > > > > version of existential angst to the > shrink, > > > "the > > > > > > > universe is > > > > > > > expannding, which means one day it will > > > explode > > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > will be the end of everything." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some funny responses: His mother yells, > > > "What > > > > > > > business is it of yours > > > > > > > what the Universe is doing??!!" And the > > > shrink > > > > > > > explains in > > > > > > > condescending tones, "Don't worry Alvie, > > > > > Brooklyn is > > > > > > > not expanding." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your fear appears to be that everyone is > an > > > > > Alvie, > > > > > > > that they will be > > > > > > > paralyzed into inaction if they dare > > > recognize a > > > > > > > reality that is only > > > > > > > partially, though perhaps not yet > eternally > > > > > > > recognized. People, their > > > > > > > associated reactive minds, intellects > and > > > > > bodies, > > > > > > > are usually not that > > > > > > > dull as to sink into paralysis when > > > realizing > > > > > > > conceptually, based on > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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