--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <snip> > > > > Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to > really > > "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. > > Yes, familiar with that death. Not positive it was accompanied at > that time by complete stoppage of breath -- it might have been. > Complete stoppage is apparently not necessary now for seeing through > reality; attention is. Stoppage is also very nice though. > > Then > > jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were > > talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point > is > > that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all > have > > died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. > But > > death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. > > Yes, I am not so sure that it is always shorter breaths and stoppage > (though that be often the case), so much as subtler and subtler > ones -- not necessarily shallower. The onset of peaceful currents of > attention, maybe. I am not so quick to completely equate prana with > breath at all nowadays -- Pranaflow (in its various forms, including > electromagnetic, either within or without this physical body) seems > somewhat more to be a function of attention than specifically breath.
****** >From my Taoist practice I know there is a quality of breath characterized by >frictionless flow, whether the cycle is extremely rapid or extremely slow. I call this the celestial breath, based on my recollection of a story MMY told once. A bunch of guys did tapas and refined their breathing so much that they were able to sneak into an assembly of angels. The angels sniffed them out (literally, detected their odor) and they had to leave. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
