--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/21/05 6:05:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Nonsense. The Vedic tradition does not insist that anybody belong
to
> any particular sect, but emphasizes that it is gaining unlimited
> awareness, which is the self of all, that is important, and that
> unboundedness has nothing to do with sectarian identification.
>
> Regarding what Jesus said, you have not understood this. The whole
> thing he said was "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
> comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you
> would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and
have
> seen him." (John 14:6-7). Jesus is establishing His identity with
> God, but not saying that others could not have that status -- the
> disciples walked on the water along with Jesus, they healed the
sick
> and raised the dead, too, so Jesus was saying that everybody could
> enjoy their Divine birthright, everybody was a much a son of God
as
> He was:
>
>
>
> Bob I'll have to take exception with you on the vedic tradition
point. Yes,
> they say all is evolving, but ultimately, your going to need a
guru yada
> yada yada to realize Brahman.
Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness,
and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru.
>And for the point about Christ, yes I have
> understood exactly what you pointed out , but THAT understanding
is not what the
> religion is based on. People who have transcended have their
perspective and the
> masses have their own. What the Pope said, is just traditional
Christian
> theology. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing new.
Traditional ignorance that has nothing to do with understanding what
Jesus said, which is why the church is a mess with, among other
problems, a billion-dollar backlog of lawsuits because of kiddy-
diddling priests, who Ratfinger was determined to protect:
From ABC News:
"[Father Marcial Macie] pushed my hand
onto his penis. And I didn't know anything
about masturbation," Juan Vaca, who was
first abused when he was 11 years old, told
ABCNEWS. "And he says, 'You don't know how
to do it. Let me show you.' And he gets my
penis himself and starts to masturbate me. I
was in shock."
Now read the rest of the story:
Then, four years ago, some of the men
tried a last ditch effort, taking the
unusual step of filing a lawsuit in the
Vatican's secretive court, seeking Macial's
excommunication.
Once again they laid out their
evidence, but it was another futile effort �
an effort the men say was blocked by one of
the most powerful cardinals in the Vatican.
The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal
Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican
office to safeguard the faith and the morals
of the church [the Inquisition], quietly
made the lawsuit go away and shelved it.
There was no investigation and the accusers
weren't asked a single question or asked for
a statement.
He was appointed by the pope to
investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in
the church in recent days. But when
approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with
questions of allegations against Maciel,
Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually
slapped this reporter's hand.
"Come to me when the moment is given,"
Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, "not yet."
"Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering
Maciel, protecting him," said Berry, who
expressed concerns that no response was
being given to the allegations against the
man charged with sex abuse. "These men knelt
and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger
when they filed the case in Rome. And a
year-and-a-half later, he takes those
accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them."
The cardinals knew all of this, yet they
still chose Ratzinger. They had a choice.
They chose evil. Unfortunately, this is what
the leadership of the Catholic Church has
come to, and become.
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