--- In [email protected], bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  "You will not progress until this desire [for God] has become 
> stronger 
> > than any other. "
> > 
> > Gurudev.
> > 
> 
> 
> > This is a common thread among many religions, on the other hand
> > I believe it to be far from Buddhism philosophy or other systems that 
> > value self-examination as the main and only way worthwhile of pursuit.
> > 
> > Amazing how two so far and even contradicting systems work, just the 
> > same. Or maybe not.
> 
> *************
> 
> Guru Dev was talking about enjoying the Divine Intelligence in man in 
> its fullness, so the distinction between seeking God and seeking the 
> self is a distinction without a difference. The Self -- infinite 
> awareness or intelligence -- is all-inclusive, cosmic, because it has 
> no boundaries, so surely this is a definition of God also.

***
--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "You will not progress until this desire [for God] has become
stronger
> than any other. "
>
> Gurudev.
>


> This is a common thread among many religions, on the other hand
> I believe it to be far from Buddhism philosophy or other systems that
> value self-examination as the main and only way worthwhile of pursuit.
>
> Amazing how two so far and even contradicting systems work, just the
> same. Or maybe not.

*************

Guru Dev was talking about enjoying the Divine Intelligence in man in
its fullness, so the distinction between seeking God and seeking the
self is a distinction without a difference. The Self -- infinite
awareness or intelligence -- is all-inclusive, cosmic, because it has
no boundaries, so surely this is a definition of God also.

***
In different cultures and traditions we give slightly different
meanings to common concepts as God. I also think Guru Dev was talking
about establishing a permanent contact with the Divine 
Intelligence deep inside.
Until I got that established I didn't feel I was really progressing. I
was a captive of the turmoil of life. A prerequisite for succesful
inner progress is that you are not anymore identifying with this turmoil.
 
On the other hand I don't think you can have a permanent foundation in
this infinite intelligence of Nature without serious self inquiry that
also includes moral considerations (how we relate to others).

Having oneself in this way established in the Self is not an end point
in human evolution. It is a starting point for a more conscious,
stable and enjoyable inner transformative work and evolution.

Irmeli





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