OK Vaj, I'm going to enter the fray here.
The way this conversation is preceding youre going to get tired soon from
the suffocating squeeze of the pythoness. (I actually mean this as a complement
to Judy.) Then the conversation will attenuate into a final pair of mutual -
the pox on your house, dear. This is not only boring - it is unilluminating.
And, being a fools fool, I only exist for the dazzling radiance that others of
real worth, like you and Judy, can shine on my miserable bug-like existence.
Help me out here, Vaj - illuminate me. Ive heard this argument from you
before and I never could decide which sutra-s of Patanjali you are directing
our attention toward - above all because Im overwhelmed by your ocean-like
compassion to save us from our slavish adulation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. (And
who is this Mr. Varma who you keep talking about?)
So
let me try to restate your referenced argument in simplified form one
that even a fecal larvae like me can understand:
TM practitioners, particularly brain-washed TM teachers, falsely identify
their direct, unmediated experiences of utter difference between
pure-consciousness (purusha) and the intellect (buddhi-sattva) as kaivalya
(aloneness of pure consciousness).
However, kaivalya is described by Patanjali (Pada II.25) as the disappearance
of ignorance (avidya) and the consequent ceasing of the correlation (samyoga)
between the seer and the seen.
The experiences of TMer are NOT kaivalya but rather are transient flashes of
viveka-khyati, or the vision-of-discernment between purusha and prakriti.
So, Vaj, is this an accurate description of your argument against TM claims
vis-à-vis Patanjalis Yoga Sutras?
If so then please help me out by pointing which of Patanjalis sutras you are
referencing as positive proof that TMers misidentify the vision of
discernment with the Aloneness of seeing (Kaivalya).
If not, then also help me out by restating your argument so you can correct
my misunderstanding. Please do so in a form that likewise tags your references
to each of the relevant Sutra-s of my good friend, Maharishi Patanjali
and
please dont call him Mr. Naga.
The shit-eating worm
Emptybill
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