--- Thanks, billy jim! During my first 6 weeks in the Army long ago they used to call us "maggots". Let me get this straight: are you saying that Vaj is saying that MMY's TM can only facilitate people getting into CC, and not Unity? Is that a concise summary?
In [email protected], billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK Vaj, I'm going to enter the fray here. > > The way this conversation is preceding you're going to get tired soon from the suffocating squeeze of the pythoness. (I actually mean this as a complement to Judy.) Then the conversation will attenuate into a final pair of mutual - "the pox on your house, dear". This is not only boring - it is unilluminating. And, being a fool's fool, I only exist for the dazzling radiance that others of real worth, like you and Judy, can shine on my miserable bug-like existence. > > Help me out here, Vaj - illuminate me. I've heard this argument from you before and I never could decide which sutra-s of Patanjali you are directing our attention toward - above all because I'm overwhelmed by your ocean-like compassion to save us from our slavish adulation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. (And who is this Mr. Varma who you keep talking about?) > > So let me try to restate your referenced argument in simplified form one that even a fecal larvae like me can understand: > > TM practitioners, particularly brain-washed TM teachers, falsely identify their direct, unmediated experiences of utter difference between pure-consciousness (purusha) and the intellect (buddhi- sattva) as kaivalya (aloneness of pure consciousness). > > However, kaivalya is described by Patanjali (Pada II.25) as the disappearance of ignorance (avidya) and the consequent ceasing of the correlation (samyoga) between the seer and the seen. > > The experiences of TM'er are NOT kaivalya but rather are transient flashes of viveka-khyati, or the "vision-of-discernment" between purusha and prakriti. > > So, Vaj, is this an accurate description of your argument against TM claims vis-à-vis Patanjali's Yoga Sutras? > > If so then please help me out by pointing which of Patanjali's sutras you are referencing as positive proof that TM'ers misidentify the "vision of discernment" with the "Aloneness of seeing" (Kaivalya). > > If not, then also help me out by restating your argument so you can correct my misunderstanding. Please do so in a form that likewise tags your references to each of the relevant Sutra-s of my good friend, Maharishi Patanjali and please don't call him Mr. Naga. > > > The shit-eating worm > Emptybill > > <snip snip> > whatever whatever > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. >
