--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi Trinity,
>
> Welcome back to krodha-dama.
>
> We get to hear claims here from time to time about lineages -
along
> with various references to yogic insider knowledge. Most of it is
> nothing but mere claims, usually based upon a favored explanation
given
> by some teacher who is rooted in a particular interpretation or
> philosophic view about yoga.
>
> Here, in this context, it appears quite funny - so we should all
have a
> good laugh, pass the bottle of bourbon and salute our foolish
> imaginations.
>
> The PatanjalaYogaSutra is clocked around 150-200 CE. Both the
Samkhya
> and Yoga darshanas were dealt with by Buddhist scholars, even as
late as
> Paramatha in China (6th Cent. CE). That is pretty much it because
> neither of these darshanas survived the intervening centuries down
to
> our era of time.
>
> "Did not survive" means no param-para, no sampradaya, no lineage,
no
> diksha, no transmission of secret techniques, no transmission of
hidden
> knowledge, and more importantly no person remaining to retain any
kind
> of lengthy or abridged explanations.
>
> Swami Hariharananda Aranya tried to revive this extinct lineage in
the
> 19th Century, CE by creating a SankhyaYoga Matha but it did not
survive
> either.
>
> Vedanta survived - in various forms and sampradayas. Vedantic
teachers
> read Patanjali and created their own interpretations of his
intended
> meaning, although almost always defering to and starting from
Vyasa's
> commentary.
>
> And Trinity you are quite correct. I posted Shankara's short
vivarana
> about siddhis in Card's thread about YS. III.37(38). He sees
siddhis as
> distractions but only for a yogin who wants to remain absorbed in
the
> vision of purusha. Even then there is no problem for one detached
in
> proper vairagya.
>
> empty
>
>
How about siddhis being a touchstone of the depth(?) of samaadhi?
dharma-megha-samaadhi is possible to "reach" only
if one is 'akusiida' even in 'prasaMkhyaana',
prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa viveka-khyaater
dharma-meghaH samaadhiH (IV 29)
Perhaps 'prasaMkhyaana' means, amongst other things,
that one is capable of "performing" siddhis, if one
so wishes (is 'kusiida', *not* 'a-kusiida'??).
kusIda mfn. (fr. 1. %{ku} and %{sad}? ; cf. %{kuSIda}) , lazy ,
inert (?) TS. vii ; (%{am}) n. any loan or thing lent to be repaid
with interest , lending money upon interest , usury TS. iii Gobh.
Gaut. Pa1n2. &c. ; red sandal wood L. ; (%{as} , %{A}) mf. a money-
lender , usurer L.
akusIda or %{akuzIda} mfn. taking no interest or usury , without
gain.
